Hansard Blues
Legislative Assembly
Draft Report of Debates
The Honourable Raj Chouhan, Speaker
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The House met at 10:03 a.m.
[The Speaker in the chair.]
Routine Business
Prayers and reflections: Hon. Christine Boyle.
[10:05 a.m.]
Introductions by Members
Hon. Ravi Kahlon: It’s some sort of record. I get to talk
Routine Business
Prayers and reflections: Hon. Christine Boyle.
Introductions by Members
Hon. Ravi Kahlon: It’s some sort of record. I get to talk about field hockey three days in a row. My colleagues are going to be pissed off about hearing about field hockey, but we’ve got a guest here today.
I’ve got a guest here, Amrit Handel. She grew up in North Delta. She played field hockey her entire childhood. She is a second-year JD student at University of Victoria. She’s a proud UBC political science alumni. She does a lot of pro bono work through UBC, giving back to the community.
She is also the niece of a good friend of mine, Ullam Handel, who’s known to many people in this place, a very respected leader in both the field hockey community as well as the business community.
Keep an eye on Amrit. I wouldn’t be surprised if one day she’s down here in these seats and, who knows, maybe even the Attorney General one day.
I’m hoping the House can please make Amrit very welcome today.
Scott McInnis: I have Nick and Trudy here, new friends from Columbia River–Revelstoke. We met at the legion in Edgewater during the Remembrance Day ceremonies. I’m so thrilled they reached out that they’re going to be in Victoria. I look forward to taking them for a tour and introducing them to you, Mr. Speaker.
Please welcome Nick and Trudy.
Hon. Brittny Anderson: Today I am delighted to welcome representatives from Canada’s kindest city, Peachland. Today in the gallery, we have Patrick Van Minsel, who is the mayor; we have Councillor Dave Collins; and we have CAO Joe Creron.
We had an absolutely wonderful meeting with the Premier earlier this week. They are set to increase their housing by 10 percent. They’re doing absolutely incredible work in Peachland. I got to visit them. I think it was about two years ago. We had a really, really wonderful tour.
This time they provided me with a CD. This was Papa Tom. Papa Tom was one of their councillors who passed away a few months ago, and he was such an incredible human being.
I just want to say I really appreciated the gesture of giving me the album from Keith Pearson. It’s such a tremendous loss — Papa Tom’s loss from your community. It is super wonderful to see you again and know that with Papa Tom’s music, his legacy lives on. I just want to thank you for all of the incredible work that you do for your community.
Please let them feel very welcome.
Claire Rattée: In the gallery today, we have a number of people that just came out front of the Legislature with us for a rally for World Autism Day.
Today we have April Johnman; Lynn Hopkins; Benita, Ryan and Ben Lindsay; Chelsea Gannam; Nicole Imbriolo; Alina Lawson; Nicole Lancaster; Sarah Lindberg; Jacqueline, Charlotte, Max and Piper Ferreira; Madison, Steven and Diane Ross; Michelle Clark; Ripley Davis; Madison and Diane Paress; Patricia, Shane, Ava and Ivy Anderson; Nicholas, Lisa Marie, Michelle, Diane, Patricia, Shane and Jackson Chai; Kayla Burnell; Sharon Banning; Hailey Shade; Ashley Allan; Tessa Gunther; Michelle Clark; Patricia Anderson; Ed Court; Jennifer Marcel; and Dylan McDonald.
I would just ask that the House make them feel very welcome, please.
Hon. Randene Neill: It is my absolute pleasure to introduce you today to some constituents of mine but, more importantly, members of the ɬəʔamɛn Nation: Elder Eugene Louie; Haggis John Hackett, who’s an amazing individual; Callum Galligos, who’s my counterpart in Water, Land and Resource Stewardship with the nation; Brandon Louie; as well as Denise, Kelly, Russell, Tabitha and Jen.
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We are just days away from the tenth anniversary of signing the treaty back in 2016, and we also have an important announcement today about a memorandum of understanding.
Thank you so much for being in the House today. It’s so good to see you here, but as always, I can’t wait to see you at home as well.
Please, House, make them feel welcome.
Reann Gasper: Please join me in welcoming
of understanding.
So thank you so much for being in the House today. It’s so good to see you here but, as always, I can’t wait to see you at home as well.
Please, House, make them feel welcome.
Reann Gasper: Please join me in welcoming Kathy Williams, who joins us today all the way from Alberta. Cathy serves as a school board trustee in ward 8 in in the Chinook’s Edge School Division and is deeply committed to supporting students and strengthening public education in her community.
She is also the proud mother of my Executive Assistant, Ethan Williams, and we are very pleased to have her here at the B.C. Legislature.
Welcome, Kathy.
Hon. Diana Gibson: Everybody in this House knows how hard our staff work during these long days in the Legislature. It’s my great pleasure to introduce my guest today, my Administrative Assistant, Carly Bernays, who is our trusty spirit of the office, and her sister today, Amanda Bernays, who is joining us in the gallery for her very first time.
Amanda graduated from Camosun College, in my riding, back in 2023, in marketing, and is now attending Vancouver Island University for her post-baccalaureate Bachelor of Education to fulfil her lifelong dream of becoming an elementary school teacher.
Would the House make them, please, feel very welcome?
Macklin McCall: I, too, would like to introduce my Peachland delegation that’s here, as the minister across the aisle did.
I’ll start off with Patrick Van Minsel, the mayor of Peachland; CAO, Joe Creron; and Councillor David Collins, all here with us today.
I just want to recognize that they’ve been here for a week having meetings with ministers and official opposition critics on all things important to Peachland.
Will the House please join me in welcoming them to the Legislature today.
Jeremy Valeriote: I’m pleased to introduce, and please stand if you’re comfortable, Prym Goodacre and Thomas Reimer from the Green team, dream team.
Please welcome them, visiting the House today, and give them a round of applause, if you don’t mind.
Hon. Grace Lore: It’s been a good week for introductions for me. I’m pleased to welcome Angus Matthews, who’s here today with the Maritime Museum Society. He’s an advocate and volunteer working really hard with a vision and drive for our local waterfront.
He’ll be joined later today by Alicia Thomas from the Esquimalt Nation. We’re going to have a few meetings around community.
I am really grateful for his work and vision in the community and for my ministerial colleagues who are going to join us for some meetings today.
So will the House please help me make Angus very welcome.
Rob Botterell: I hope the House will indulge me. This is an extraordinarily special day for me.
It’s my daughter’s birthday. She’s a captain in the Coast Guard and she wouldn’t want me mentioning her age, but she’s in her mid-30s.
So will the House please wish her a merry…. Oh no, a happy birthday, not a merry Christmas.
Introduction and
First Reading of Bills
Bill 17 — Housing and Municipal Affairs Statutes
(Codes of Conduct) Amendment Act, 2026
Hon. Christine Boyle presented a message from His Honour the Administrator: a bill intituled Housing and Municipal Affairs Statutes (Codes of Conduct) Amendment Act, 2026.
Hon. Christine Boyle: I move that the bill be introduced and read a first time now.
I’m pleased to introduce the Housing and Municipal Affairs Statutes (Codes of Conduct) Amendment Act.
This bill requires local government-elected officials to adhere to a provincial code of conduct. Any breaches of the code are to be handled by a locally appointed neutral investigator who meets the criteria prescribed by the province through regulation. Investigators will review all complaints and make recommendations on whether sanctions should be opposed against an individual by the council or board.
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This bill responds to repeated requests made by local governments and other interested parties, such as the Union of B.C. Municipalities and the Ombudsperson’s office, to establish a mandatory code of conduct across the province and enhance enforcement mechanisms to support the implementation of the code.
and other interested parties, such as the Union of B.C. Municipalities and the Ombudsperson’s office, to establish a mandatory code of conduct across the province and enhance enforcement mechanisms to support the implementation of the code.
The Speaker: Members, the question is first reading of the bill.
Motion approved.
Hon. Christine Boyle: I move that the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
Motion approved.
Bill M240 — Transparency of
Advocacy Organization Act
Tara Armstrong presented a bill intituled Transparency of Advocacy Organization Act.
Tara Armstrong: I move that a bill intituled the Transparency of Advocacy Organization Act, of which notice has been given in my name on the order paper, be introduced and read a first time now.
In British Columbia today, there are thousands of organizations working to influence public opinion and public officials — pride societies, Indigenous lobby groups, environmental organizations and many others. Many are receiving money from the government or from foreign sources, yet public often has no way to see who is funding them, how much they receive or how that money is being spent.
This bill changes that. It requires advocacy organizations receiving government or foreign funding to publish annual reports divulging their funding sources, amounts and the salaries of their five highest-paid employees. They must also disclose the legal names of all affiliated organizations. Finally, they must post a notice on their websites and social media admitting that they have received government or foreign funding, along with a one-click link to those mandatory disclosures.
If they refuse, the public can step in. The bill empowers any British Columbian to take a non-compliant advocacy organization to court. If a violation is proven, courts can impose large penalties of up to $10 million and award up to 30 percent of those amounts to the applicant who brought the court action.
This bill will drag shadowy lobby groups into the light of day. It will do this by harnessing the democratic power of financial transparency and public accountability. I welcome every member to express their support.
The Speaker: Members, the question is first reading of the bill.
Motion approved.
Tara Armstrong: I move that the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
Motion approved.
Bill 18 — Housing and Municipal
Affairs Statutes (Parental Leave)
Amendment Act, 2026
Hon. Christine Boyle presented a message from His Honour the Administrator: a bill intituled Housing and Municipal Affairs Statutes (Parental Leave) Amendment Act, 2026.
Hon. Christine Boyle: I move that the bill be introduced and read first time now.
I’m pleased to introduce the Housing and Municipal Affairs Statutes (Parental Leave) Amendment Act, 2026. This bill establishes a provincial minimum parental leave entitlement for locally elected officials. The legislation provides for a provincial minimum entitlement of 26 consecutive weeks of parental leave. Local elected officials will be eligible for full remuneration and will not be disqualified for missing council or board meetings.
This bill responds to long-standing advocacy from local elected officials and local governments and promotes gender and generational diversity and equity in local politics by providing local elected officials with consistent access to parental leave.
The Speaker: Members, the question is first reading of the bill.
Motion approved.
Hon. Christine Boyle: I move that the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
Motion approved.
[10:20 a.m.]
Members’ Statements
Korky Neufeld: This coming weekend many British Columbians will be focused on
Members’ Statements
Easter
Korky Neufeld: This coming weekend many British Columbians will be focused on Good Friday and Easter Sunday. The Bible teaches three powerful truths about how God relates to humanity: justice, mercy and grace.
There is justice. Justice means receiving what we do deserve. God is perfectly holy and righteous, and justice requires that wrongdoings and sin be addressed. In a just system, every action has consequences and people receive the results of their choices.
Then there’s mercy. Mercy means not receiving the punishments we deserve. Even though humanity has fallen short of God’s standards, God shows compassion and restraint. Instead of immediately giving us what we deserve, He extends forgiveness and patience.
Then there’s grace, and grace goes even further. Grace means receiving something good that we do not deserve. Through grace, God not only withholds the consequences but also gives us blessings, such as forgiveness, new life and a restored relationship with Him.
There are three truths that come together most clearly at the cross and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Justice was satisfied because sin was dealt with. Mercy was shown because we did not receive the consequences ourselves; Jesus took it for us. And grace was given because through Jesus Christ, we receive forgiveness and the promise of eternal life. Justice, mercy and grace together reveal the depth of God’s character: perfect righteousness, deeply compassionate and overwhelming generosity.
The Bible states, in Romans 3, God is setting things right by way of Jesus setting things right for us — not only for us but for everyone who believes. Since we’ve compiled this long and sorry record of sins and proved that we’re utterly incapable of living the glorious lives God wills for us, He did it for us. Out of sheer generosity, He put us right, standing with Himself, a pure gift. He got us out of the mess we’re in and restored us to where we always must be, and He did this by means of Jesus Christ. We have the cross and resurrection. That is good news.
Happy Easter.
Remembrance of
Lapu-Lapu Day Victims
Mable Elmore: This April my community will observe a cultural tradition that is deeply imbued with love and remembrance. It’s called Babang Luksa, or the dropping of the veil of mourning, a custom rooted in family and friendship. It will be an occasion to pray together and honour the memory of those who were lost in the April 26, 2025, festival tragedy in Vancouver.
It does not mean that grief comes to an end. It simply means that we are taking another step in our shared journey of healing. It also reinforces the importance of community and ongoing social supports to reassure victims and their families that they are not alone.
I am reminded about the Sermon on the Mount, wherein Jesus said: “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.” Individually and collectively, Filipinos know grief well. Whether it’s the loss of a loved one or the loss of the ability to practise a profession in Canada because of challenges in foreign credential recognition, Filipinos have had their own share of suffering. But we know that sorrow is not a permanent place. With God’s grace, we will find new strength, together with the broad community. Thank you for your solidarity.
In memoriam, Jenifer Darbellay, Kira Ganapol Salim, Vicky Bjarnason, Glitza Daniela Samper, Glitza Maria Caicedo-Samper, Daniel Samper Toro, Jendhel Sico, Richard Le, Katie Le, Linh Hoang, Nerissa Pagkanlungan.
I invite everybody to join a commemoration mass at St. Andrew’s Parish, 480 East 47th Avenue, on April 10 at 2 p.m., and also a community dinner of commemoration where victims will be there to give tribute to their loved ones, at Fraserview Banquet Hall on April 12 at 5 p.m.
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World Autism Awareness Day
and Funding for Autism Services
Claire Rattée: Today on World Autism Awareness Day, we should all take time to recognize and celebrate the incredible contributions and potential of autistic individuals all across this province.
Over the past few months, I have heard from countless parents across our province who have fought tirelessly to get their children diagnosed, access support and build stability in their lives. Families like Amber’s, whose young son was once non-verbal and is only now beginning to communicate because of early intervention. Or Stephanie’s, whose son is thriving in school today but still relies on therapy to continue to succeed. Or Jenna’s, who knows firsthand what can happen when children grow up without the support that they need.
What’s concerning about these stories is that each of these children are going to lose access to their support funding unless a change is made very soon. These stories are powerful reminders of a simple truth, that early intervention works. Support is not a luxury. It is not optional; it is foundational.
When children receive the therapies that they need, they build communication, confidence, independence and the ability to participate fully in their communities. And when those supports are taken away, the risks are not theoretical, they are real. Regression, mental health challenges and long-term system involvement are the consequences. Neurodivergence exists on a spectrum, and support must reflect that reality. There is no such thing as “not autistic enough” when a child is struggling.
On this day, we should be reaffirming our commitment to inclusion, dignity and ensuring that every child has the opportunity to reach their full potential.
On this side of the House, we will always defend the right for all neurodiverse children, including all of those on the autism spectrum and Down syndrome, to receive the life-changing supports that they deserve, because when we invest in children early, we are not only supporting families, we are building stronger communities for all of us.
Education Week
Sunita Dhir: I rise today to recognize Education Week taking place across British Columbia from April 7 to 10. Education Week is a time to reflect on the vital role education plays in supporting young people as they learn, grow and discover their potential. It’s also an opportunity to celebrate the students, teachers, education assistants, counsellors, administrators, school trustees and support staff who make our K-to-12 system strong and vibrant.
In classrooms across our province, students are building skills that will shape their futures, learning to read their first book, experiencing science and technology, discovering the arts and sports and developing a lifelong love of learning. These moments are foundational and they’re made possible by the dedication, compassion and professionalism of those who support students every day.
Education is about more than academics. Our schools are safe, inclusive and supportive spaces where students can access opportunities, build confidence, form meaningful friendships and find care and guidance when they need it most.
The tragic events in Tumbler Ridge have deeply impacted communities across British Columbia, reminding us of the strength, resilience and compassion within our school communities, especially in difficult times. There has never been a more important time to recognize and thank those who are dedicated to supporting students and strengthening our education system.
I invite all members of this House to join me in celebrating Education Week and the many individuals who make education in British Columbia so meaningful.
Transgender Day of Visibility
Rob Botterell: Protect the dolls. This week we celebrated Trans Day of Visibility, a day where the trans community is supposed to feel free to be who they are, without fear. And that’s not always the case in our society where being trans, visibly or in stealth, still puts you in danger.
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Access to timely, quality health care is a challenge for many across our province, and the trans community feels this crisis more than most. Gender-affirming, life-saving health care is more and more difficult to access. Medications often have unreliable
access to timely, quality health care is a challenge for many across our province, and the trans community feels this crisis more than most. Gender-affirming, life-saving health care is more and more difficult to access. Medications often have unreliable coverage. Wait times for specialists in surgeries are years long and getting longer, especially with the shuttering of the Montreal surgery pathway.
There are also fundamental flaws with this province’s name change ban, which has caused immense harm to transgender and other marginalized communities. Resolution of these issues affects more than the trans community.
We have seen it time and time again. When the trans community advocates for improvements in social services and health care, everyone in British Columbia benefits. Transgender individuals affect more than the trans community, not just as advocates for gender equality but as scientists, teachers, construction workers, librarians, doctors.
Trans Day of Visibility is about recognizing the struggles and joys of being trans. Trans people have the right to live in dignity and be safe in their communities just like everybody else. We have much work to do to make our community safe for everyone, but no one has to do this work alone.
To our trans friends and their allies in this chamber and across the province, we stand with you today and every day.
Stephen Lewis
Steve Morissette: It was with great sadness that we learned about the passing of an incredible human this past Tuesday — former leader of the Ontario NDP and a proud activist, father, husband, grandfather and much more, Stephen Lewis.
Elected to the Legislative Assembly of Ontario at 26 years old and becoming the leader of Ontario NDP at just 33, Lewis became known for his eloquent and passionate public speaking skills and his dedication as Leader of the Official Opposition to hold the government at the time to a high moral standard, fighting for compassion for all people.
Lewis worked fiercely to protect, uplift and to improve human rights, and his advocacy for gender equality, anti-racism and social justice are at the very heart of what it means to be a New Democrat and a Canadian.
Stephen wore many impressive hats throughout his career, all rooted in his passion for human rights, including serving as an ambassador to the United Nations and working for UNICEF. Lewis was an incredible activist and dedicated much of his life to bringing awareness to and fighting against apartheid in South Africa and the HIV/AIDS epidemic.
In 2003, he co-funded the Stephen Lewis Foundation, which works to deliver funds and other resources directly to community-led organizations who are leading responses to HIV and AIDS in Africa.
He is survived by his three children, his grandchildren and his wife, Michele Landsberg, an incredible leader, author and educator.
Stephen Lewis changed our country for the better, and his impact will continue to be felt here and across the globe.
Speaker’s Statement
Guidance on Private Members’ Bills
for Report Stage
The Speaker: Hon. members, earlier in the week, the House received a report on private members’ bills from the Select Standing Committee on Private Bills and Private Members’ Bills. That report will be taken up during the next private members’ time on Monday, April 13.
It has been some time since the House last considered a reported private member’s bill, so the Chair will take the opportunity to offer some guidance to the House.
Report stage is intended to give members an opportunity, particularly those who did not participate in the deliberations of the Select Standing Committee on Private Bills and Private Members’ Bills, to discuss the amended form of the bill. It is not an opportunity to re-canvas the merits and principles of the bill or to discuss details that are suited for committee stage consideration.
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The maximum of 15 minutes of debate at report stage are intended to give the House an opportunity to canvas the amendments brought forward by the committee for the House’s consideration. If a bill has been reported without amendment, it seems to the Chair that there is limited scope of debate that could reasonably proceed at this stage
to give the House an opportunity to canvass the amendments brought forward by the committee for the House’s consideration.
If a bill has been reported without amendment, it seems to the Chair that there is a limited scope of debate that could reasonably proceed at this stage, and the House should consider advancing the bill to its final stage of the consideration, being third reading.
At third reading, the House has a maximum of 20 minutes of the debate to consider the bill at its final stage in the legislative process. As noted in Parliamentary Practice in British Columbia, fifth edition, at page 254: “Third reading debate has not been common in the Legislative Assembly, particularly when those substantive amendments have been made to the bill at committee considerations.”
If a bill has been amended at committee stage, third reading debate should focus on introducing new viewpoints on the final form of the bill. Members participating in third reading debate should not offer arguments that were canvassed at previous stages of the consideration of the bill. Members will know that unamended government bills are seldom subject to debate at third reading, and that practice should be applied for unamended private members’ bills.
The Chair hopes that this guidance will be of assistance to the House as it navigates debate on private members’ bills in their final stages of consideration.
Oral Questions
Drug Decriminalization Program
and Data Collection
Claire Rattée: Yesterday when I asked this government why they ordered the destruction of invaluable scientific research, the minister said: “This is false and absolutely misleading what the member is saying. The data that Dr. Somers collected was not destroyed.”
I have a simple question for the minister. Does she stand by her statement that the research was not ordered to be destroyed, yes or no?
Hon. Josie Osborne: Again, data is a very critical component to understanding how government policies and services are affecting people. And Dr. Somers was contracted by government to undertake research.
The data from his research have been transferred into a government database where they are available for academics and for other researchers to access.
I stand by the statements that I made yesterday and that the data are in the hands of government and available for those academics, researchers and government staff — again, a very important component to evaluating programs to being able to make informed decisions moving forward.
The Speaker: Member for Skeena, supplemental.
Claire Rattée: I have the letter that Dr. Somers received from the government.
The letter says: “All data must be destroyed and all media storage devices that house ministry data must be sanitized. This includes all backup copies, uploads and data on any media devices.”
I spoke with Dr. Somers yesterday, and he assured me that he was forced to destroy the data, not to transfer it.
So I’ll ask again. Why did this government order the destruction of critical addiction and public safety data right before launching its decriminalization experiment? And if they did not destroy it, will the ministry table that data?
Hon. Josie Osborne: Dr. Somers worked under contract to government. As are the conditions of contracts like that, these data then become the property of government.
Those data were transferred into government databases, and they remain available for researchers, for academics, for government staff to be able to use, and they continue to do so to this day.
Service Model Change for
Children with Support Needs
and Funding for Autism Services
Rosalyn Bird: Today the gallery is full of families whose children depend on autism supports.
Amber wrote to us about her son, diagnosed with autism at just a year old. He is only now beginning to speak, regulate and build the basic skills he needs because of early intervention. However, her son may soon be considered not autistic enough to qualify for support.
To the minister. Why are you taking away funding from a child who is just beginning to thrive?
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Hon. Jodie Wickens: I first and foremost want to thank the families that are here today. I want to thank them for their advocacy. I know firsthand what it feels like to advocate for your child. I am a proud mom of an autistic child. I am an aunt of a child that has significant medical complexities and disabilities. And I am now the minister responsible for all children
advocacy.
I know firsthand what it feels like to advocate for your child. I am a proud mom of an autistic child. I’m an aunt of a child that has significant medical complexities and disabilities. And I am now the minister responsible for all children in this province. I take this role incredibly seriously.
We have a system that exists right now that is not working for all children. We undertook extensive engagement over years. We spent $4 million to speak to families, to experts, to service providers. There were three things that came out of that engagement.
The first is we needed more investment in our system. The system had not been invested in for decades, and we are spending $475 million net new dollars in the system.
The second is that we were asked to expand individualized funding to more diagnoses so children with Down syndrome, fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, intellectual disabilities will receive direct funding for the very first time.
Lastly, families and experts asked us to tie support based on a functional need, not a singular diagnosis alone. We are building a stronger and fairer system for the future.
The Speaker: The member has supplemental.
Rosalyn Bird: Everyone on this side of the House supports all neurodiverse children that need access to funding.
Another parent, Stephanie, told us her son is verbal, bright and in school but still needs occupational therapy, speech therapy and behavioural supports each year. She said the new model forces families to prove their child is disabled enough to qualify. If a child does well in school, that is the beginning of stabilization. With autistic kids, they need consistent and stable supports continuously.
To the minister: why are you pulling the rug on these families just as they have started to feel secure?
Hon. Jodie Wickens: The members opposite have brought families here today. They should be honest with those families. Governments in the past had years to invest in children with various disabilities. They did not.
Interjections.
The Speaker: Shhh. Shhh.
Members.
Hon. Jodie Wickens: There is a track record of Conservative governments across this country and how they deliver services for children and youth with disabilities. It is abysmal.
Members opposite stand in this House every day and say, “Stop spending. Don’t spend any more money,” and now they want to say spending $475 million is not enough.
Interjections.
The Speaker: Shhh.
Hon. Jodie Wickens: You cannot have it both ways. We are making historic investments in children and youth in this province.
There is a symbol used in the autism community. It’s the fingerprint. That symbol is used because everybody’s fingerprint is different. Every child with autism has very different needs. You could have a child that is indistinguishable from their peers. You could have a child that’s non-verbal and self-injurious. Under our current system, both of those children receive the exact same support.
In the new system, funding will be tied based on a functional need. We have children with autism in our current system that will receive more funding in the new system. We have thousands of children who will receive more support in the new system.
We are building a stronger, fairer system for thousands of children for years to come.
Protection of Old-Growth Forests
and Independent Assessment
Rob Botterell: Yesterday the Conservative member for Richmond-Queensborough, an Attorney General critic, for extinguishment of Aboriginal title on private property in Richmond. In other words, ignore section 35 of the constitution, ignore the historic injustice to the Quw’utsun and abandon reconciliation. Shame on the member, and shame on the Conservatives.
Interjection.
The Speaker: Member.
Rob Botterell: The Conservatives are not the only ones operating in an alternate reality. The Minister of Forests says the government is protecting old growth, but every single panellist from the old-growth strategic review has written a letter to this government stating that the province is failing to protect our most valuable forests.
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Our constituency offices are flooded with letters about logging in the Tsitika Valley, big tree old growth in a priority deferral area auctioned off by B.C. Timber….
The Speaker: Question, Member. Question.
Rob Botterell: Question. Through the Speaker to the Minister of Forests, will the minister get real and conduct an independent assessment of high-value old growth as called for by the provincial forest
priority deferral area auctioned off by B.C. Timber….
The Speaker: Question, Member. Question.
Rob Botterell: Question. Through the Speaker to the Minister of Forests, will the minister get real and conduct an independent assessment of high-value old growth as called for by the Provincial Forest Advisory Council. Yes or no?
The Speaker: Before I recognize the Minister of Forests, I want to caution members. When you make comments about the opposition members, those who are not able to respond, it’s not fair to do that. Thank you so much.
Hon. Ravi Parmar: Thanks very much, Member. I appreciate that. Make note of that answer. That doesn’t happen every day.
It’s always a pleasure to be able to rise in this House and speak about the work that we’ve been doing on this side of the House to protect more old forests, protect our old forests. This is a foundational value here in British Columbia, where we are working hard to build a strong, sustainable and robust forest sector.
Here in coastal British Columbia, we know how important it is that we protect our old forests. It’s why, on this side of the House, we’ve taken considerable steps, commissioning an old growth strategic review, developing an action plan, and taking necessary steps in moving forward on that action plan.
I would note to the member opposite that it’s really important…. If you talk to Garry Merkel, who I am going to be talking to in about an hour’s time…. The important step that we have to take is engaging with First Nations. In the case of the timber sale licence that that member has referred to, we engage with that nation. They are supportive of that timber sale licence because they’ve developed an integrated resource management plan that meets the needs of conservation and economic value.
The Speaker: The member has a supplemental.
Old-Growth Conservation Funding
Rob Botterell: I didn’t hear an answer regarding the old growth assessment called for by the Forest Advisory Council. So let me take a different approach.
I’ll remind…. Let’s try the Minister of Water, Land and Resource Stewardship instead. We know that the solution to protecting old growth and respecting the sovereignty of First Nations is conservation financing. This government, alongside the feds, committed $1 billion to the cause in 2023. But since then we’ve had little or no detail about how much money has been spent. We also hear serious concerns from First Nations regarding the scope and sufficiency of the fund.
I asked the minister in forestry estimates, and he suggested the Minister of Water, Lands and Resource Stewardship could answer. So through the Speaker to the Minister of Water, Land and Resource Stewardship….
The Speaker: Question, Member.
Rob Botterell: How much of the money is left in the conservation fund, and what steps are you taking to ensure that nations have the flexibility they require when using this $1 billion of financing to transition away from old-growth harvesting?
Hon. Randene Neill: I thank the member opposite for the question and also for, always, his advocacy in fighting for nature and restoring biodiversity throughout our province.
In terms of the member’s question, there is something called the conservation fund, which is a $300 million fund. It’s a provincial fund, and $150 million was committed to from the provincial government. The other $150 million was committed through the B.C. Parks Fund.
This is intended to be an evergreen fund. So as funds are depleted through partnerships with protected areas and conservancies, more private donations will come in. So we’ll never be able to run out of that fund.
I think the member was also talking about the nature strategy, which is that $1 billion G to G to G fund with the federal, provincial and First Nations governments. I can get the exact numbers for him, but we publish a report every year into how many funds are left, what we’ve done with the funds that year. We just literally released that report this week, and I can certainly send a copy over to his office.
Taylor Bridge Replacement
Jordan Kealy: Metal fatigue does not reverse, and when steel is cracked, welded and cracked again, it does not return to its original strength. In fact, it creates more stress points, which is stated in the reports obtained by the ICBA after they waited nine months for an FOI request of inspection reports from 2020 to 2025 of the Taylor Bridge.
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We now know the Taylor Bridge has cracked steel that is being welded and recracked. This cannot only happen so much to steel so many times until critical failure occurs. The corrosion
of the Taylor Bridge. We now know the Taylor Bridge has cracked steel that is being welded and re-cracked. This can only happen so much to steel so many times until critical failure occurs. The corrosion in critical structural components and a coating system the government’s own engineers say has failed…. You cannot just simply put this back together.
Even after all that, the records show that this government is still identifying a preferred course of action, with reports leaning towards rehabilitation and more patchwork instead of replacement.
The Speaker: Question, Member.
Jordan Kealy: Why has this government continued to patch a structurally compromised, declining bridge, and will this minister commit today to finally replacing the Taylor Bridge, yes or no?
Hon. Mike Farnworth: I thank the member for the question.
I obviously realize the importance of the Taylor Bridge in his neck of the woods and the importance it is to the province as a whole.
We take bridge safety very seriously. Bridges are inspected on a regular basis to ensure that they are safe, and that happens with the Taylor Bridge.
We also know that the Taylor Bridge does need to be replaced, and that’s why we’re spending $40 million to date in terms of engineering and project development to do just that. Extensive field assessment, structural and environmental, hydrotechnical, utilities, traffic and economic analyses have been completed. This past summer, load tests were done on some of the key areas in terms of where a new bridge would be.
So I can assure the member that work is underway to determine the best way that the bridge needs to be replaced and how it should be replaced. At the same time, I want to assure the member that the bridge is safe. It is inspected on a regular basis, as are all our bridges in the province.
The Speaker: Member, supplemental.
Jordan Kealy: Well, I go over this bridge all the time. I’ve walked across it, and I’ve seen holes in the bridge deck bigger than my foot. Truck drivers are saying a prayer before crossing this bridge with their loads. Confidence is gone, and when confidence is gone, assurances from this minister don’t mean much.
So I’ll ask again: when will he stop relying on patchwork and commit to replacing the Taylor Bridge with an upgraded new one that is meant to handle the loads and capacity of our region so that we can continue to be the powerhouse of this province? Because my constituents are demanding answers now, and this minister is just leaving us praying.
Hon. Mike Farnworth: I will repeat what I just said for the member. We are spending more than $40 million in terms of the kind of studies that need to be in place to determine the appropriate replacement for the bridge.
At the same time, I want to let the member know that not only is it regular maintenance but regular inspection. I understand the member’s concerns, but I will also tell you this. We have incredibly skilled, dedicated, professional people in the Ministry of Transportation who regularly inspect that bridge, whose expertise goes into looking at that bridge and ensuring that it’s safe. They will continue to do that work as we work on the plan going forward to replace the Taylor Bridge.
Access to Critical Cardiac Care
Services in Surrey
Elenore Sturko: On March 8, a patient suffering from a heart attack was en route from Surrey to Royal Columbian by advanced life support ambulance when they were diverted due to a staffing shortage. EHS was rerouted to Surrey Memorial Hospital, which does not provide the same level of cardiac care as RCH, and the diversion cost precious minutes.
The patient died. Perhaps they would be alive today if they were able to get treatment at RCH’s cardiac intensive care unit. Or if Surrey had these resources, perhaps their chance of survival may have been higher. But that wasn’t an option for them or any other resident south of the Fraser. Even with the cath labs in Surrey, cardiac patients in critical condition must be transported to access cardiac intensive care.
My question is: when will this government deliver timely and equitable access to health care for underserved communities south of the Fraser?
Hon. Josie Osborne: Thank you to member for the question.
We know just how quickly the community of Surrey is growing south of the Fraser, and that is why this government has been so focused on building the infrastructure and providing the services, including opening a new cardiac cath lab recently at Surrey Memorial Hospital.
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The member speaks of a specific incident. While I can’t comment on that, I can say of course that that tragic circumstances like that are terrible situations to hear about, and all of our hearts go out to the family members and friends of any person who tragically or unfortunately passes away.
That’s why we continue to do the work to strengthen British Columbia’s health care system, investing in those fast-growing communities and investing in smaller communities too, building new
situations to hear about, and all of our hearts go out to the family members and friends of any person who tragically or unfortunately passes away.
That’s why we continue to do the work to strengthen British Columbia’s health care system, investing in those fast-growing communities and investing in smaller communities too; building new hospitals; renovating emergency rooms; undertaking recruitment campaigns to attract the specialists, the physicians that we need; continuing to invest in B.C. Ambulance Service; and working with all parts of the health care system to deliver the care that people expect to have close to home when they need it.
The Speaker: Member, supplemental.
Elenore Sturko: I’m sure that those words will not be that comforting to those who are losing their lives, their loved ones’ lives due to staffing shortages.
The addition of two cath labs in Surrey is a welcomed improvement, but what the public may not know is that the labs are only staffed Monday to Friday, 8 a.m. to 4 p.m., and they’re for urgent but not critical patients. Residents south of the Fraser will have to be sure to schedule their heart attacks during business hours or be diverted to RCH and pray they aren’t on diversion again.
My question. When will the minister get serious about timely and equitable cardiac care for the thousands of British Columbians living south of the Fraser?
Hon. Josie Osborne: We are serious about this work each and every day. We know that the population is expanding. It’s growing. It’s aging. And people deserve that care. The last thing you want to worry about, of course, when you are sick or when you have a critical incident is whether the specialists will be there to serve you.
That’s why we’re building a new medical school in Surrey, opening this fall. That’s why we’re expanding nursing seats. We’ve expanded medical seats at UBC. You cannot reduce wait-lists, you cannot improve care, without those people.
The work that we are doing is showing progress. Between 2019 and 2023, the number of specialists practicing here in British Columbia increased by 22 percent. We continue to invest and build in hospitals, in surgical care, in new operating rooms — new surgical suites at Peace Arch, Burnaby General, Royal Inland, Kootenay Boundary; a second hospital in Surrey; and work at Surrey Memorial.
A year ago, we set a record for the number of surgeries that we are undertaking here in British Columbia. We are seeing progress. We are going to stay committed, focused on doing this work.
Service Model Change for
Children with Support Needs
and Funding for Autism Services
Peter Milobar: I thought the minister was going to say they set a record for emergency room closures.
The Minister of Children and Family Development has demonstrated a master class today of the expression, “That was then; this is now.” In 2021, the minister and other members of that government that weren’t in government at the time had no problem protesting the exact same cuts to autism that we are seeing this government implement now.
Reggie is a child in my riding who has been receiving autism supports for the past several years. Reggie’s mom, Heather, describes him as a bright, humorous and inquisitive child who likes history, trains, Lego and video games. Reggie was first diagnosed at three years old and non-verbal. At ten, he could not read or write. Reggie is now in middle school and thriving.
Reggie’s mom says this progress is largely due to the ongoing funding and therapy Reggie has been receiving. Reggie, however, is now one of the 10,000 children whose funding will be slashed to zero by this government, putting his progress at risk.
Now, Reggie’s mom did meet with the minister on Wednesday, and it was a circular meeting with no outcome other than niceties being exchanged.
Why is the minister putting the future of kids like Reggie at risk with these funding cuts?
Hon. Jodie Wickens: I was very involved when an announcement was made to change our system in 2021. Any time you make a change to a system, you transform from one state to another, there are some families that are going to be challenged by that.
The member is incorrect. Our new transformation and our new system are considerably different from what we were talking about in the previous system.
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We are expanding direct funding for children and families in our province. We are increasing direct funding from $129 million to $326 million. We are investing $80 million in publicly available, highly specialized programs and services.
I encourage every MLA in this House…. The member from Kamloops can go to the Kamloops Child Development Centre and talk to the leaders in that organization about the welcomed investments that are being made in his community.
We are investing $80 million in publicly available highly specialized programs and services.
I encourage every MLA in this House…. The member from Kamloops can go to the Kamloops Child Development Centre and talk to the leaders in that organization about the welcome investments that are being made in his community. This will make incredibly huge differences in the lives of children and families in this province. We will continue to do this work.
In an unprecedented time globally, with global pressures financially, we are choosing to invest in children on this side of the House. I am proud of that. We will create a stronger, fairer system well into the future.
Donegal Wilson: I believe those words are pretty hollow for the families in the House today.
Two parents, Kaomi and Mike, told us their daughters gained life-changing communication and emotional regulation skills through early intervention. They said clearly that early intervention works.
Why is this government taking away support for these children when we know it’s working?
Hon. Jodie Wickens: I know families will have questions.
Eighty percent of families who are currently receiving autism funding will receive funding, direct funding, through one of the two new benefits that we are rolling out. For some families who have a net adjusted income of over $200,000 a year or whose children do not meet the federal criteria for a daily functional need, they may see a decrease in direct funding.
However, we are prioritizing highly specialized community-based services delivered by speech-language pathologists, occupational therapists, physiotherapists, behaviour interventionists. These programs and services are going to be well invested in.
We are not changing funding over the next year. We will work alongside families to ensure that they have the information they need so that they know what supports and services are available for them.
Lynne Block: I just want to say that there are still cuts to many families, thousands of families, through this new model.
We heard from Katrina Kirk, a mother of two autistic children, one child receiving $22,000 and the other receiving $6,000. Under this new system, Katrina was told that her family will receive absolutely nothing. Nothing.
How can the minister justify a plan where families, like Katrina’s, go from receiving vital supports for their children to receiving absolutely nothing?
Hon. Jodie Wickens: I know that the opposition is characterizing this as a cut. It is inaccurate. We are increasing….
Interjections.
The Speaker: Shhh.
Hon. Jodie Wickens: We are increasing individualized funding, including funding for children with autism in this province. We are working with experts right now around the assessment criteria for children to receive the benefit.
In the new system, children will receive individualized funding throughout their childhood of either $6,500 per year or $17,000 per year based on a functional need through an assessment. For families who make above $200,000 net adjusted income or for children who do not meet the federal criteria, they will receive priority access to community-based services, highly specialized services, that are available in all of our community.
I invite the member opposite to visit the B.C. Centre for Ability that serves her community in wonderful ways and speak to the professionals in those organizations who are going to support families through these changes.
Harman Bhangu: Decrease, in other words, cuts, is exactly what that side of the aisle is doing to health care.
I’ve heard from a single mother in Aldergrove raising a child with autism. Her son Reese is Métis. He doesn’t qualify for First Nations supports and has aged out of Métis programs. Now like many families across B.C., they are losing critical funding. She told me they may have to leave B.C. just to access care.
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My question: is this government proud of the cuts and forcing families out of this province?
Hon. Jodie Wickens: We are not making cuts to programs and services.
We are investing $475 million — new dollars — above and beyond what our current budget
Hon. Jodie Wickens: We are not making cuts to programs and services. We are investing $475 million — new dollars — above and beyond what our current budget is.
We have heard from families for years who have said our current system is not working. Thousands of children do not have access to the services and supports that they need. That is changing under the new system.
We know exactly what Conservative governments do when it comes to children and youth with disabilities. You can look to Ontario under a Conservative government, seven-year wait after diagnosis for services; Alberta, three-year wait after diagnosis for services.
Based on need, we’re taking a different approach in British Columbia. Since we made this announcement, I have met with families. We will continue to do so. We have a website. We will work alongside them to make sure that they have the information they need so that they know what supports and services they are going to receive in a better, stronger, fairer system in the future.
Reann Gasper: When you have children on wait-lists for two to three years that have finally been approved for funding and then they get a letter when the announcement happens and you say that they no longer qualify, and now you say that isn’t a cut? What is that?
The minister paints us with a brush. She says we prescribe to stop spending money. Here’s what we prescribe to you in this House every single day. Stop wasting taxpayers’ money. Stop mismanaging finances that should be going to children. I want to be clear.
The Speaker: Question, Member.
Reann Gasper: I’m sorry, I’m very passionate about this because it’s about our children.
The Speaker: Question, Member.
Reann Gasper: I will get there, Mr. Speaker. Absolutely.
The Speaker: No, no.
Reann Gasper: I want to be clear. We are supporting funding for all neurodiverse children.
The Speaker: Member, ask the question now.
Reann Gasper: My question to every member on that side of the House. Will you go outside on the front lawn, because of the promise your Premier made in 2023…
The Speaker: Through the Chair, Member.
Reann Gasper: …through the Chair, and defend your government’s cuts to families whose children are being stripped away of their funding? Will they do that?
The Speaker: Thank you. Thank you, Members.
Minister.
Hon. Jodie Wickens: I am proud to stand beside a Premier and a leader who listened and paused…
Interjections.
The Speaker: Shhh.
Hon. Jodie Wickens: …and directed my ministry to invest $4 million in a comprehensive engagement process that listened to families, that listened to service providers and listened to experts to redesign an unfair system to deliver more services and supports for more children.
This suggestion…. I sat on that side of the House when there was a Conservative government on this side of the House. I sat on that side of the House…
Interjections.
The Speaker: Shhh. Shhh. Members.
Member for Abbotsford South.
Hon. Jodie Wickens: …when the now Leader of the Opposition stood idly by when they made cuts to my ministry. When I stood on that side of the House as a parent of a child with autism who could not buy a house or could not do the things that they all pretend to care about now, and instead work with thousands of children with autism.
I will take no lessons from that side of the House. I am proud to be on this side of the House. I have met with the critic. I answered these questions during estimates. She knows that this is not a cut. They have brought families here today.
Interjections.
The Speaker: Shhh. Members. Members.
Thank you, Minister.
Hon. Jodie Wickens: I have never seen a government bring families to provide them with the wrong information.
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Harman Bhangu: May I request leave to make an introduction?
Leave granted.
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Introductions by Members
Harman Bhangu: We have Murrayville Academy here from Langley and their teacher Natalie is here, eleven grade 5 students here to witness the question period of democracy.
Will the House please make them feel welcome.
Harman Bhangu: May I request leave to make an introduction?
Leave granted.
Introductions by Members
Harman Bhangu: We have Murrayville Academy here from Langley and their teacher, Natalie is here with 11 grade 5 students to witness the question period in a democracy.
Will the House please make them feel welcome.
Hon. Mike Farnworth: In keeping with the motion passed yesterday, I move the House do now adjourn and remind members that we are back at two o’clock this afternoon.
Hon. Mike Farnworth moved adjournment of the House.
Motion approved.
The Speaker: This House stands adjourned until two o’clock this afternoon.
The House adjourned at 11:10 a.m.