Fourth Session, 42nd Parliament (2023)
OFFICIAL REPORT
OF DEBATES
(HANSARD)
Wednesday, March 8, 2023
Afternoon Sitting
Issue No. 286
ISSN 1499-2175
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CONTENTS
Routine Business | |
Labour Relations Board, annual report, 2022 | |
Orders of the Day | |
Budget Debate (continued) | |
Proceedings in the Douglas Fir Room | |
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 8, 2023
The House met at 1:33 p.m.
[Mr. Speaker in the chair.]
Routine Business
Prayers and reflections: S. Chant.
Introductions by Members
Hon. D. Coulter: Today we have a delegation from Ironworkers Local 97 in the House, and I’d just like to recognize them.
We have Paul Beacom, who is the president of Local 97; Doug Parton, who is the business manager of Local 97; and Carla Visscher Hensel, who’s a level 1 apprentice, who has come to the Legislature with them today. Carla discovered ironworking in an exploratory program. She has since completed her foundations course, and now she’s working on the new student housing at BCIT.
Would everyone please welcome our great ironworkers from Local 97.
Hon. M. Farnworth: All of us rely on, in our constituencies, our constituency assistants, and I have mine over here today. I’m going to mention their names, and then I want to talk briefly — it is introductions — about two of them.
With me today are Ruth Graham, Justin Traviss and Nicole Preston, who have been in my office not for a long time. They’ve been trained by two individuals who are now retiring from my office. They are Gord Wickerson, who started in my office in September of 2009, after a career teaching at Centennial high school and Banting junior high school, at that time, in Coquitlam; and Glen Pollock, who started working for me in 2010. He was a city counsellor, a long-time PoCo resident.
I just want to tell both of them how much I have relied on them. Since they joined my office, they have done an incredible job on behalf of constituents in my riding. I just want to thank them so very, very much for doing an amazing job all these years.
I’m going to miss you guys in my office, but you’ve done a remarkable job training a new generation of constituency assistants who will do a wonderful job. From the bottom of my heart, thank you so much for everything you’ve done.
R. Merrifield: Today I rise to welcome to the House Amber Frost. She’s an exceptional young woman who is shadowing myself and getting to know some of our B.C. Liberal caucus today. She’s the program administrator for the Indigenous youth internship, and she has a keen interest in learning more about the legislative process and women members of the Legislative Assembly.
Would the House please join me in welcoming Amber Frost.
Hon. A. Dix: Today members from all sides of the House took part in the annual Dementia-Friendly Legislature Luncheon sponsored by the Alzheimer Society of B.C.
My colleague the member for Prince George–Valemount spoke. My colleague from Saanich North and the Islands spoke. We had some outstanding speakers representing the society and their families and caregivers as well. I’d just note Jana Schulz, from the East Kootenay, who gave just an exceptional presentation. She’s a caregiver, and it was great to hear from her. Of course, Jennifer Lyle, the CEO of the Alzheimer Society; Amy McCallion, the chair of the board.
I also want to note old friends like Barbara Lindsay, Members of the Legislature, of Jim Mann, of Alice Mann, who were there as well. I also want to note Heather Cooke, who’s an old friend of my wife, Renée Sarojini Saklikar. She’s there. All of these people did an exceptional job, I think, representing all of us and representing the community that is affected by Alzheimer’s and other dementias.
I ask everybody in the House to make them welcome.
S. Bond: I want to join with the Minister of Health in welcoming the delegation that’s here today, thank them for the very poignant ceremony at lunchtime. So appreciate them.
We all have examples in our lives, and it was so great to hear the stories shared by the House Leader of the Third Party, the minister. We want you to know how much we are committed to working to create a more dementia-friendly province.
I would just like to add a few names to the list that the minister mentioned in welcome to this place: Paula Brill; Heather Cooke; Heather Cowie; Cathryn France; of course, the Premier has mentioned Barbara and Jen; Lynn Jackson; Stuart Macdonald; Amy McCallion; Jen Parry; Laura Siberry; Karen Tanaka and Lauren Weisler.
I must also say to Jim and Alice: how wonderful it is to see you here. I still remember the first time I met Jim. He did not hesitate to tell us, as policy-makers and legislators, exactly what we should be doing. I think that speaks to his passion and the incredible person he is.
Welcome to all of you, and thank you for the good work that you do.
J. Routledge: I’d like to introduce four incredible young women in the gallery today who are part of the Indigenous youth internship program within the government of British Columbia. They are Anna Ratzlaff, Jordyn Morin and Katisha Paul. They are accompanied by the program administrator, Amber Frost.
On the occasion of International Women’s Day, they are being hosted on a one-day twinning program by our British Columbia branch of the Commonwealth Women Parliamentarians.
Please join me in giving them a very warm welcome.
E. Sturko: I have a very important introduction to make today. Shortly I’ll be introducing a private member’s bill, which was inspired by two individuals, Todd Marr and Nicole Chan. I’m grateful to be joined by their families in the chamber today.
Todd took his own life while struggling with his mental health, during a courageous battle with addiction, on September 9, 2009. He was 32. Nicole took her own life while struggling with her mental health, on January 27, 2019. She was 30.
Both Nicole and Todd died by suicide after having been released from hospital. However, Todd’s and Nicole’s lives are not defined by their struggles, nor their manner of deaths. Both continue to be loved and dearly missed by their families and friends.
Todd Marr was a loving son, brother and friend. His family celebrates his happy childhood, his kindness, his valued friendships and many accomplishments. Since Todd’s death, his parents, Lorraine and Chuck Marr, have been tirelessly supporting at-risk teens, and they’ve set a goal this year of raising $50,000 for Langley School District Foundation’s project resiliency.
Nicole was a loving daughter, sister and friend. She was kind, athletic and fun-loving. She had an amazing smile and contagious laughter. She was a selfless person, and in her time, she became a police officer because she believed in serving her community. Her life was defined by love, friendship and service. After Nicole’s death, her sister Jenn has courageously shared her story, including participating in a coroner’s inquest.
The loss of both these promising young people highlights the need for change to our mental health system. I ask everyone here today to welcome Jenn Chan, Andrew van Rijswijk, Lorraine and Chuck Marr.
Tributes
YANG DONG WEI
H. Yao: Today, with shock and a sad heart, I’m doing an introduction about an individual who has recently passed away. Mr. Yang Dong Wei was an entrepreneur and a philanthropist in our community. He was born in 1971 in a rural area and slowly made his way into a bigger city and finally immigrated with his family to Vancouver, British Columbia.
His passing was shocking to everyone, as he had just finished a meal and showed absolutely no other signs. Then, later, his family discovered him. He had passed away in peace and quietness. Also, his passing at a young age led to shock and pain for many of his family members and his friends.
I’m asking my colleagues in this chamber to join me to express our sincere condolences to Mr. Yang Dong Wei, a Hunanese entrepreneur and philanthropist who had done a lot of great work, cross-cultural efforts in building bridges for our community.
Introductions by Members
N. Letnick: In the precinct today, we have the mayor of Kelowna, Tom Dyas, and the city manager, Doug Gilchrist, amongst other staff, who are meeting with ministers, looking to encourage them to come to Kelowna with their chequebooks and their announcements.
I would like to re-emphasize that they are certainly welcome, during the two weeks of spring break, to come over. Lunch is on me. Just bring your announcements and chequebooks, and we’ll be happy to have you. Will the House please make them feel very, very welcome, especially when they come to Kelowna.
Also, I’d like to recognize, in the House today, Karen Bill. She’s saying: “No, no. Please don’t.” Karen was my chief of staff while I had the privilege of being the Minister of Agriculture in this place. She did a great job and continues to do a great job as my research officer and, of course, with other MLAs.
Would the House please welcome Karen Bill.
S. Chant: Today I’d like to welcome a group of Girl Guides who are with us today for International Women’s Day. The B.C. provincial commissioner is with them, Diamond Isinger. There is also Renee McCulloch, the southern Vancouver Island commissioner. Then we have Demyllia McCulloch, Isabelle Corless, Arden Giles, Jenny Smithers and Erin MacLean, who are Pathfinders from the Raven area.
I think they’re looking forward to their visit here, and they are meeting with our Parliamentary Secretary for Gender Equity as part of International Women’s Day. They are also greeted by our MLA for Richmond-Steveston. We have all been Guiders.
G. Kyllo: Today, on International Women’s Day, I want to give a special shout-out and a thank-you to Brynn Bourke, the president of B.C. Building Trades. They hosted us this morning for a great breakfast, and we heard directly from the B.C. Building Trades on additional efforts that can be undertaken by the construction industry to make the construction industry more welcoming for women.
I’d also like to introduce a very close friend of mine, Doug Parton, the business manager for Ironworkers Local 97. Doug and I have been friends for many years. We don’t always see eye to eye on all policy, but Doug is definitely a fierce advocate for his 2,000-plus members of Ironworkers Local 97. I want to thank him very much for the work he does on behalf of the construction sector in B.C.
B. D’Eith: I also wanted to thank and greet the folks who are here from the Alzheimer Society today. It was a wonderful event. I did want to single out one particular woman, Myrna Norman. Myrna is from our area in Maple Ridge–Pitt Meadows. What’s really important is that while she’s a really strong advocate for dementia and Alzheimer’s, she’s also living with dementia.
It takes incredible courage, I think, for people and their families to step forward. I’ve heard her speak many times, from the heart, about dementia and Alzheimer’s. I just want to say how important it is that people with lived experience be allowed to speak and have that space to also fight stigma, and particularly her, for her spirit. She’s a lovely woman who just tells you exactly what’s on her mind, and I love hearing that. Thank you so much, Myrna Norman.
I hope we can all welcome her to the House today.
Mr. Speaker: Member for Saanich North and the Islands.
A. Olsen: HÍSW̱ḴE SIÁM. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
Today I have the honour of welcoming into the Legislature TSEPYULPULWET, a powerful W̱SÁNEĆ lady.
ÍY, ȻNES QENOṈE ṮÁ. It’s wonderful to see you here today.
We had the honour of getting to know one another. TSEPYULPULWET, also known as Katisha Paul, is here with the Indigenous youth interns.
I’m very, very happy to have met you. I just want to let you know that there is absolutely a seat in this House for you.
HÍSW̱ḴE SIÁM.
Hon. J. Whiteside: I want to echo the introduction of my colleague the member for Shuswap, to introduce a constituent, a friend, a neighbour, an absolute force in New Westminster. As well as being the executive director of the B.C. Building Trades, Brynn Bourke is a force in all of those areas, and we’re so lucky to have her as a member of our community in New Westminster.
Would the House please make her welcome.
Speaker’s Statement
INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY
Mr. Speaker: Hon. Members, I wish to acknowledge that today is International Women’s Day.
When this House first met in 1872, there was not a single woman in its membership. In fact, as I noted a few weeks ago, there was not a single women’s washroom in the precinct. In 1917, some women in British Columbia were given the right to vote. In 1918, the first woman was elected to serve in this House. However, it was not until 1952 that all disenfranchised people, including some groups of women, were given the right to vote.
There have been remarkable women who served, and serve, in this House and who marked firsts in public office in British Columbia, in Canada and even in the Commonwealth. They include Mary Ellen Smith, Nancy Hodges, Tilly Rolston, Rosemary Brown, Grace McCarthy, Rita Johnston, Carole James, Stephanie Cadieux, Christy Clark and many more.
These women, and the women who serve in this House today, demonstrate how critical it is to have women’s representation, to have their voices at the table, and the powerful impact that has on strengthening governance. This includes championing changes to how this House undertakes its business. I note that this month marks five years since the amendment of Standing Order 23, which now permits infants in the care of a member to be present on the floor of this House during its proceedings.
Today, there are 37 women who take their seats in this chamber, just over 42 percent of all members here. While much has been done, there is much more to do.
To the incredible trail-blazers, and especially the women who take a seat in this House, I wish you a happy International Women’s Day, and I salute you, all women members. Thank you.
Introduction and
First Reading of Bills
BILL 14 — MISCELLANEOUS STATUTES
(MODERNIZATION)
AMENDMENT ACT, 2023
Hon. B. Bailey presented a message from Her Honour the Lieutenant-Governor: a bill intituled Miscellaneous Statutes (Modernization) Amendment Act, 2023.
Hon. B. Bailey: I move that the bill be introduced and read a first time now.
Mr. Speaker, I’m pleased to introduce Bill 14, the Miscellaneous Statutes (Modernization) Amendment Act.
Words matter, and they have a powerful effect, whether written or spoken, and all British Columbians deserve to see themselves reflected in British Columbia’s programs and services. This bill will modernize B.C.’s legislative framework by amending more than 2,300 instances of outdated gender and binary language found across 21 ministries and in more than 200 provincial statutes, ensuring that all British Columbians can see themselves reflected in our laws.
Words matter when it comes to promoting inclusion and eliminating discrimination, and this bill represents a key step to furthering our government’s commitment to do just that.
Modernizing language is important for creating an inclusive society, and it also aligns with legislative drafting best practices. With Bill 14, British Columbia will become the first province in Canada to systematically amend provincial laws to remove outdated gendered and binary language, better reflecting the diversity of our province.
This bill also proposes minor amendments to various acts, such as repealing outdated sections and reflecting the evolution of technology and its uses, especially when it comes to working and meeting remotely.
B.C. is recognized as a leader in legislative modernization and reform, and these amendments will ensure that we continue to promote a modern, inclusive economy and equality for all British Columbians.
Mr. Speaker: The question is the first reading of the bill.
Motion approved.
Hon. B. Bailey: I move that the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
Bill 14, Miscellaneous Statutes (Modernization) Amendment Act, 2023, introduced, read a first time and ordered to be placed on orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
BILL M214 — MENTAL HEALTH
AMENDMENT ACT,
2023
E. Sturko presented a bill intituled Mental Health Amendment Act, 2023.
E. Sturko: I move the bill entitled Mental Health Amendment Act, 2023, of which notice has been given in my name on the order paper, be introduced and read for the first time now.
Helping people in their moment of crisis is one of the reasons that I became a police officer. Now, as an MLA, that mission has only deepened. Every year, hundreds of people in a moment of crisis are apprehended under section 28 of the Mental Health Act of British Columbia. With multiple documented cases in B.C. where individuals have been apprehended, not certified, and then have self-harmed or died by suicide shortly after their release, it’s clear that this is a gap that must be filled.
Const. Nicole Chan died by suicide only a few hours after she was released from an emergency room in January of 2019. In the coroner’s inquest into her death, the jury recommended direct communication between police, paramedics who are bringing in a person apprehended under the Mental Health Act and the hospital doctors receiving the patient.
If passed, the Mental Health Amendment Act, 2023, aims to prevent suicide deaths by requiring physicians or nurse practitioners to seek further information on a person’s psychological history when considering whether to involuntarily admit and treat someone under the Mental Health Act.
By proactively reaching out to individuals with close knowledge of this individual’s situation, such as family members or first responders, physicians can gain valuable background information that might otherwise be overlooked. This critical background could help mitigate the risk of self-harm and improve mental health outcomes.
We must take every action to help people in crisis. I know there’s much more that should be done to save lives in our province when it comes to mental health and addictions, but this is a meaningful first step. I hope that the government will see the urgent need for this reform so we can work together to pass it as quickly as possible.
Mr. Speaker: Members, this is the first reading of the bill.
Motion approved.
E. Sturko: I move the bill be placed on the orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting after today.
Bill M214, Mental Health Amendment Act, 2023, introduced, read a first time and ordered to be placed on orders of the day for second reading at the next sitting of the House after today.
Statements
(Standing Order 25B)
INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY
AND GENDER
EQUITY
K. Paddon: Today, on International Women’s Day, I’m honoured and privileged to be able to stand in this House to celebrate the remarkable achievements of women throughout history, recognize challenges that many continue to face and reconfirm our focus on achieving gender equality and empowering all women and girls.
International Women’s Day was first celebrated in 1911. In that year, over one million people attended rallies in several countries to demand the right to vote, work and hold public office. These women fought hard so that many of us can be here. This day was recognized by the United Nations in 1975 and has been globally celebrated ever since.
This year’s theme for International Women’s Day is “Embracing equity.” Equity isn’t just a nice-to-have; it’s a must-have.
We’ve made great investments in our journey towards equity in B.C.: birth control, increased family benefit, child care, expanding transportation, expanding connectivity, expanding free menstrual products, sexual assault services and, just this week, introducing pieces of legislation that will change British Columbia for women, girls, gender-diverse and two-spirit people.
We know that we have more to do. We know women continue to face discrimination, harassment and violence in their homes and other places. They are underrepresented in positions of power and decision-making. These injustices not only harm women, but they hold back our societies and our economies as a whole.
We must work together from all sides of this House to break down barriers that prevent women from reaching their full potential. We must work to listen to women. We must also look at the root causes of gender inequality, such as patriarchal norms and gender stereotypes, and create culture that values and respects women and girls.
On this International Women’s Day, let us recognize the invaluable contributions of women to our societies and economies.
Let us work together to create a world where women, girls and gender-diverse people can feel free from discrimination, violence and fear and fully realize their potential.
INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY
AND WORKFORCE GENDER
EQUITY
R. Merrifield: Well, today I, too, rise on International Women’s Day excited to stand here and celebrate all women — the resilient, strong and caring women that continue to shape our societies. The bold impact of our female British Columbians in the world is increasing. Today is just a reminder that we need to keep going, because even with this growing role, to achieve gender equality, a lot more needs to happen.
The tall poppy syndrome, named after the flower, is noted to occur when people are belittled due to their achievements and success. This year the Tallest Poppy 2023 study specifically looked at working women from 103 countries from different demographics and professions to see how they had been affected through interactions with their colleagues.
It revealed extremely high numbers of women who feel they cannot show their success for fear of being penalized. Specifically, 77 percent of respondents said they must downplay their achievements to not be cut down in the workplace. The effects of women downplaying their success leads to women holding fewer executive positions, experiencing lower self-esteem, impacting their desire to apply for promotions and feeding the cycle of gender stereotypes and biases.
We’ve seen major progress for women in the workforce, but further measures to improve equality are needed. How do we measure equality, and how will we know it’s been achieved? Well, perhaps I won’t have to do a speech like this.
We need to consider this as a society. Until then, every member of this Legislature should continue to do their part by recognizing the role women play and empowering them and thinking of how we can inspire and welcome the next generation of leaders. As we reaffirm our commitment to advancing the success of all British Columbian women, I would like to recognize the smart, fierce, creative and dynamic women that surround me in this chamber.
COMMUNITY SOCIAL SERVICES
AWARENESS MONTH
AND ROLE
OF SOCIAL WORKERS
M. Dykeman: It’s a pleasure to rise in the House today and acknowledge that March is Community Social Services Awareness Month.
This month is a provincewide public awareness campaign about the community services sector. It is an opportunity to shine a spotlight on the vital role this sector plays in our lives and in building safe, healthy and caring communities in British Columbia.
British Columbia’s community social services organizations, in partnership with government and other public sector agencies, provide vital services to some of our province’s most vulnerable individuals. Every day, thousands of British Columbians depend on the supports and services provided by over 140 community social service agencies across British Columbia.
More than 4,200 community social services workers work tirelessly to provide critical supports in our communities. To name just a few, they support people struggling with mental health and addictions, working one-on-one with people struggling with substance abuse. They provide life-saving services for people and children fleeing violence. They work in community centres to assist newcomers to get settled so that they can call British Columbia home. They provide people experiencing homelessness with housing options, and they work with families and children with special needs to help them be set up for success.
Community social service workers are on the front lines, leading the way for inclusion accessibility initiatives in the province. They serve people with empathy, dignity and respect. As community builders and advocates, I know that community social workers will keep on amplifying the voices of those who too often go unheard. There is no question that they make life better for all British Columbians every day.
Would the members of the House please join me in recognizing March as Community Social Services Awareness Month.
FRASER VALLEY GLEANERS
B. Banman: Today I would like to speak about an inspiring organization called the Fraser Valley Gleaners.
The Fraser Valley Gleaners is a non-profit, faith-based organization that is dedicated to feeding the hungry and reducing food waste in the Fraser Valley area of British Columbia, an organization that achieves this by gleaning surplus produce from local farms and orchards, which would otherwise go to waste, and processing it into a dried soup mix that is then distributed to food banks, relief agencies and other organizations that serve the needy.
While Christian-based, the Gleaners go above and beyond to ensure everything they produce is respectful of other religions and diets and culturally sensitive, while ensuring it is nutritionally balanced. No small feat indeed.
This is a wonderful initiative that not only addresses the issue of hunger but also helps to reduce food waste and promote sustainability. By utilizing surplus produce, the Fraser Valley Gleaners is helping to ensure that valuable resources aren’t being wasted and that the food is going to those who need it the most.
The organization relies heavily on volunteers, who help with gleaning, sorting and processing the produce. They also welcome donations from individuals, businesses and farmers who want to support their mission.
In the past year alone, the Fraser Valley Gleaners has processed over half a million pounds of fresh produce, which has resulted in over 1.5 million servings of soup mix. This is an incredible achievement that has had a significant impact on the community.
In conclusion, the Fraser Valley Gleaners is an inspiring organization that is making a real difference in the lives of those who are struggling with food insecurity.
I urge all British Columbians to support their mission in any way they can, whether it be through volunteering, donating or simply spreading the word about their important work.
SOUTH VANCOUVER FAMILY PLACE AND
EARLY CHILDHOOD
EDUCATOR TRAINING
G. Chow: I’d like to speak to the important work of community organizations in our province like South Vancouver Family Place in my riding of Vancouver-Fraserview.
South Vancouver Family Place was established in 1975 with the objective to support young families through the services and programs it delivers. Services include licensed preschool programs, parenting and family drop-in programs, food security programs and training opportunities such as the early childhood education certificate program and supply chain management specialist training.
Recently South Vancouver Family Place partnered with Vancouver Career College to administer the early childhood education certificate program, receiving funding through WorkBC’s community workforce response grant, which is funded by the federal government. This program supports in-demand skills training that leads to employment for individuals wanting to enter or re-enter the workforce.
As a non-profit, South Vancouver Family Place was granted this funding through the emerging priorities stream, which focuses on communities experiencing challenges entering the workforce and needing skills training for new opportunities. This certificate program not only covers important topics in early childhood education but also provides students with the opportunity to create job plans and obtain necessary certification, such as first aid and FoodSafe level one, while gaining valuable work experience.
A couple of weeks ago I was invited to South Vancouver Family Place for the graduation ceremony of the early childhood education certificate program. The program enrolled over 40 students, and I saw 36 graduates as newly trained early childhood educators, training that will help our government’s effort to ensure child care is available for all so that women with children can go to work.
The graduates vary in age and background. Many were new immigrant women. I would like to thank South Van Family Place for all its good work in the community, especially this early childhood education program that will provide many women with the training they need to enter the workforce. Happy International Women’s Day.
DAY ONE SOCIETY
T. Stone: I rise today to celebrate the amazing achievements and the incredibly important work being done by the Kamloops Society for Alcohol and Drug Services, which recently rebranded as the Day One Society.
For 50 years, the society has offered hope, help and healing to community members through connection, whether that’s connection to detox services at its Phoenix Centre facility, or to youth alcohol and drug counselling and support to families, or to day treatment for young women. They are there for people at the start of their recovery journey and remain with them every step of the way.
Their new name, Day One Society, was chosen after engaging with the community for its input. It serves as an umbrella for the many services being offered, with the hope that these services can potentially be expanded in the future. The new name is also a reminder that recovery happens one day at a time. Community members note that it represents the possibility of a fresh start no matter what. The society says that this belief remains extremely important, particularly in recent years, as it’s seen more demand for services brought about by both the overdose crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic.
I want to congratulate the Day One Society, led by executive director Sian Lewis, the board of directors and staff members, who are working day in and day out to help, counsel and support those who often have nowhere else to turn. The people of Kamloops are grateful for their 50 years of service to our community.
We all look forward to what’s ahead, as this organization and everyone in it make a huge difference in the lives of so many British Columbians in the years ahead.
M. Starchuk: I seek leave to make an introduction.
Leave granted.
Mr. Speaker: Proceed.
Introductions by Members
M. Starchuk: Joining us today are grades 6 and 7 classes from Adams Road School. They are here today chaperoned by their teachers Kori Langston and Jennifer Cox. Could the House please make them welcome as they’re here today.
Oral Questions
WOMEN’S ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE
R. Merrifield: Women are suffering disproportionately under the collapsing health care system under this NDP government. Maternity services are lacking, leading to clinic closures, frequent ward diversions and severe shortages of ob-gyns and midwives. Gynecological oncologists are lacking, with the fewest of any province in Canada.
Cervical cancer screening turnaround times? Well, they’ve increased to 18 weeks, endangering women’s lives. Then there are the growing medical imaging wait times, forcing diseases such as breast cancer to go undiagnosed and untreated.
Women are being denied basic health care. Their pain and their health matter.
When will this Premier finally deliver the health care results that women deserve?
Hon. A. Dix: Thank you to the member for her question. Women’s health has been a high priority for our government from the beginning. A significant difference has been made both for health care providers — in the majority of cases, women. Of course, for women receiving care, significant action has been taken across the board and consistently, including, if we’re talking about maternity care, the significant investments in midwives and significant investments we need to increase training spaces for doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners and midwives.
It is of the highest priority to us every single day. The list of actions that have been taken is long. But what is important is we have to continue to build our public health care system. It’s why we have a health human resources plan — with more than 70 actions for more nurse practitioners, more nurses, more doctors and more health care workers — and why I think this government has made a real change in the care provided to women, no matter where they are in the health care system, by treating all health care workers, the majority of whom are women, with respect.
Mr. Speaker: Member for Kelowna-Mission, supplemental.
R. Merrifield: The minister’s rhetoric…. It just doesn’t reflect the reality that women are experiencing today.
Here is an example of a woman that’s facing an issue in our health care system right now. In this email, Crystal is pleading for her daughter who is ill. Crystal’s daughter has been in and out of the ICU, with overworked nurses unable to provide care or answer questions, leaving Crystal, her daughter and her family in the dark and suffering.
Crystal’s experience with her daughter at KGH has been gruelling and heartbreaking, with packed hallways and a lack of privacy that make it impossible for them or any of the other patients to rest, get information, have some privacy or just communicate. Crystal’s plea is very simple, and I’m going to quote it. “Imagine it was your sister admitted to a bed in the hallway.”
Across B.C., countless women continue to be denied access to basic health care.
How much longer is this Premier going to continue to neglect the health of women like Crystal and her daughter?
Hon. A. Dix: I think, as a public health care system over the last number of years, our health care workers, our health care professionals, have demonstrated extraordinary skill and extraordinary compassion under the most challenging of circumstances — two public health emergencies presenting concurrently, and significant challenges people face.
Over the last couple of years, for example, the number of people waiting, women and men, on surgical wait-lists has been reduced in a time of extraordinary challenges in our health care system. It is true, at present, there are approximately 10,000 people in acute care hospitals, admitted to acute care hospitals, in B.C. This is an exceptional challenge.
Our staff, under the most difficult of circumstances, have been up to that challenge. They have worked exceptionally hard providing care for everybody, every person in our health care system. They deserve our respect, and they have it. They deserve our support, and they have it. They deserve our investment and action, and they’ve seen it.
We are going to continue to act to support women and all people who need care in our public health care system.
S. Bond: I can’t even begin to imagine what the health care system would look like today without the undying, tireless, unbelievable efforts of health care workers in this province, but the reality of the situation for many women in this province is that it is about results. It is about how the system is managed. Every single day we hear from women across this province who want this Premier to do something.
Five months ago, I shared Sara’s story — a pregnant mother, in her second trimester, left alone for hours at the hospital, forced to have a miscarriage in the washroom and left traumatized.
That wasn’t the only case. Over the weekend, we learned about Sonia Portillo’s story, a young woman who suffered an untreated miscarriage. She was left in a hospital hallway in Langley overnight, bleeding heavily and experiencing excruciating pain.
In Sonia’s words — not mine, her words — she said: “I was bleeding through my clothes. I tried to get up and walk, and it was a no go. Just instantly dizzy, nauseous, and I needed to lay down even to recuperate my breath.”
To the Premier, six years, two terms. Sara, Sonia and dozens and dozens and dozens of other women like them. How many more patients like Sonia need to suffer before women in this province receive the health care results that they deserve?
Hon. A. Dix: Losing a baby during any stage of pregnancy is a traumatic thing for all involved. It’s an awful thing and very difficult for people to deal with. And the circumstances, regardless of what they are, are ones for which we all can have, I think, the most profound sympathy and support.
People involved in the case mentioned by the hon. member…. The issues will be brought forward to the Fraser Health patient care office because concerns about care are always important. When people present in emergency rooms, they are regularly checked on, of course, by health professionals doing exceptional work. And every time there are concerns with our public health care system — not sometimes but every time — we respond.
It shows why we need to take the actions we’ve taken — the actions we’ve taken in primary care, more than 2,000 doctors joining a new payment model; the actions we’ve taken in nursing care, leading the country in new registered nurses since I’ve been Minister of Health; the actions we’ve taken for health sciences professionals to add, in that case, this year more than 336 training spaces; the actions we’ve taken to add health care workers and to treat them with respect in our public health care system. That is fundamentally important.
We’ve added net 38,000 workers, and the challenges are real, and we’re going to have to add, in the next five years, 38,000 more. That’s why we’ve taken actions time after time after time to make things better and to support our public health care workers and all the patients in that system.
Mr. Speaker: Member for Prince George–Valemount, supplemental.
S. Bond: Well, as difficult as it is to even share their stories, women like Sara and Sonia simply don’t believe that the action has resulted in the kind of care that they deserve, and hundreds of other women like them in this province.
What they know is that their experience was a nightmare. It was painful. Following her miscarriage, Sara was left without basic medical care and, in fact, lost three litres of blood while waiting in a hospital hallway in our province.
This isn’t about overworked and under-resourced and demoralized nurses or doctors. They do their best every single day. This is about where it starts, at the top. It’s about the Premier. It’s about the minister. It’s about doing the job that will make a difference for women like Sara and Sonia.
Women today are not having their most basic needs met. What kind of system do we have that leaves a young woman like Sonia in critical condition without medical care or support in this province?
When will the Premier step up, hear the stories and the voices of Sara and Sonia and hundreds of other women and take the action that results in providing better health care outcomes that the women of this province deserve?
Hon. A. Dix: All patients admitted to the emergency room get care, and they get care on a regular basis. I want to make that very clear to everybody. When people need to go to an emergency room, they will get exceptional efforts by everyone involved.
In this case, of course, these are matters that are appropriately dealt with. Complaints when they’re brought forward, concerns when they’re brought forward are appropriately dealt with by the patient care quality office. That is the system that we set up together as a Legislature, to do that in order to give people a voice and to ensure that their voices are heard and that change is brought.
We’re going to continue to act to make the changes for women’s health. Some of the most significant changes in….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Shhh.
Hon. A. Dix: Some of the most significant changes have been brought about in the history of our public health care system to support the health of women over the last number of years and continue to do that, whether it’s in maternity care to end-of-life care, to ensure that all women get the care they deserve.
GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE
AND SUPPORT FOR INDIGENOUS WOMEN
AND LGBTQ2S+ PERSONS
A. Olsen: Today and every day I honour the matriarchs whose patience, love and support have forged the person that I am today. These two questions that I’m about to ask are in honour of my friend and colleague the Leader of the Third Party; my grandmothers; my aunties; my mother; my sisters; my nieces; my cousins; my wife, Emily; and my daughter, Ella.
My question to the government: what progress has been made on the many, many, many promises to address gender-based violence in British Columbia?
Hon. G. Lore: Thank you to the member opposite for the question. I share his commitment to this work and our obligations as government, as members of our community, to stand up against gender-based violence in all its forms. It happens in communities of every kind across our province.
We know that Indigenous women and girls, racialized women, newcomers, immigrants and trans people in our communities are disproportionately likely to face violence. We are committed to taking action on gender-based violence and supporting survivors. We’re building an action plan led by the Parliamentary Secretary for Gender Equity to end gender-based violence and ensure that the supports are there.
While that work is underway, we’re continuing to take steps to ensure that supports are there, providing funding to about 50 community centres, sexual assault centres, and increasing it by $10 million a year. This is funding that is for emergency sexual assault response. I know the member opposite has a commitment to this issue, as do I.
We’re providing stable funding to over 400 victim services and violence-against-women programs, investing in housing for women leaving violence and seeking safety and opportunity with their children. This is work we are committed to, me personally and all those on this side of the House, and we’ll continue this work.
Mr. Speaker: Member, supplemental.
A. Olsen: Nearly 45 percent of Canadian women have experienced some form of intimate partner violence, and this rate is increasing. The numbers are even higher for Indigenous women and girls and LGBTQ and two-spirit people.
This government has made many promises, including the promise of an action plan to address gender-based violence that the minister mentioned. That was due by the end of 2022, and we’re nearing the end of the first quarter of 2023. We’ve not yet seen that.
I have stood many times in this House when there are ministerial statements with respect to missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls and the very small amounts of money that have been invested in action by this provincial government. As the minister mentioned, there has been, finally, after many years of advocacy from the minister before she was a member of this place, to increase the funding for sexual assault centres…. And certainly, I know there’s gratitude for that.
But unfortunately, it doesn’t appear, despite the promises of action plans and the promises that have been made, that gender-based violence is actually a priority for this government. Again, the promises are not actions.
When is this B.C. NDP government going to deliver on the promises, with actions to address gender-based violence?
Hon. G. Lore: With regard to the action plan, that is a commitment our government has made. We’re taking the time to get it right, including with our partners in the communities — our community partners, service delivery partners and Indigenous partners. That action plan is underway, but we’re not waiting for the plan to take those concrete steps that survivors need and that communities need.
Just this week the introduction of the intimate images act was one example. All post-secondary institutions are now required to have sexual violence and misconduct policies. Investments in transition homes and safe homes and second-stage housing. Working with our partners, from police to front-line service providers.
This work is underway for an action plan. Steps are taken, across all parts of government, to have the services and supports in there while we undertake that big-picture work.
SAFETY OF NURSES
IN HEALTH CARE
SYSTEM
K. Kirkpatrick: In his response to my colleague’s previous question about very serious issues around women’s health, the minister read off a list of things that the government has done but did not talk about the results.
What this minister is doing and what this government is doing with respect to health and women’s health is simply not working. Despite all the announcements and the press releases from the NDP government, nurses are continuing to face physical assaults and unsafe working conditions in hospitals, and the situation, as we all know here, is only getting worse.
The threat of being muzzled by the Minister of Health — this is a real threat, and we hear it over and over again — has not silenced nurses at Royal Inland Hospital, who are reporting to us multiple code white assaults and attempted assaults in just the last few weeks. One nurse, who can’t be named for fear of retribution by this NDP government, says: “I fear for my personal safety and fear that more violent incidents are yet to come.” It has rippled through the department, causing a visible increase in staff anxiety and concerns.
Five months ago this NDP government made yet another empty announcement of 320 protection officers, but none have been seen. Zero have been seen.
When will nurses finally see some real results from this Premier instead of empty NDP promises?
Hon. A. Dix: Yes, indeed, working with the B.C. Nurses Union, working with all health care unions and all workers in health care, we are changing the way we do security to support workers in our public health care system, and we’re doing it in cooperation.
I must say that one of the things we have changed is to bring back an independent occupational health and safety system for health care workers in B.C., one that, by the way, the previous government got rid of in 2010, got rid of by the Leader of the Opposition.
We have changed, for our health care workers in B.C., by giving all health care workers their rights back. People will recall the impact of Bill 29 and of Bill 94 on health care workers across B.C.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: The minister will continue.
Hon. A. Dix: The Leader of the Opposition, no doubt, shouting across more lessons in empathy.
I would say that these issues are of fundamental importance, and that’s why we’ve done this work together. That’s why we’re bringing about this change together. Yes, the previous government privatized security. Yes, the previous government laid off health care workers. We are giving them back their rights. I simply reject the suggestion….
With the changes that we’ve put in place, in terms of the Public Interest Disclosure Act and rules in place at all health authorities…. We hear from people every day, critical and not. I am happy to hear from them always. We treat every….
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Shhh, Members. Members.
The minister will continue.
Hon. A. Dix: We treat everybody with respect: health care workers and nurses and patients.
It’s a fundamentally serious issue. It’s one I take, fundamentally, seriously. It’s one we’ve taken action on. It’s one that we’re implementing. It’s one we’re implementing with the B.C. Nurses Union, with the Health Sciences Association, with the HEU.
The reason we’re doing it is we know how important it is to every health care worker and to every patient that they be safe in our hospitals and our health care facilities, and we are going to continue to act in this area.
GENDER-BASED AND SEXUALIZED
VIOLENCE SUPPORTS AT
POST-SECONDARY INSTITUTION
C. Oakes: One in five women will experience a sexual assault during their time at post-secondary.
Let us be clear. It was in 2016 that our former government made it law in this province for public post-secondary institutions to establish sexual misconduct policies on every campus in British Columbia.
Now students from across British Columbia are calling on this government for funding to further that work, to ensure that sexualized and gender-based violence supports on campus are properly funded and resourced. This Premier and this budget have failed to answer that call. The Alliance of B.C. Students has said: “Leaving sexualized and gender-based violence supports on campus under-resourced and underfunded is both irresponsible and dangerous.”
Why has the Premier failed to provide the necessary funding to protect students from sexual assault and gender-based violence on campus?
Hon. S. Robinson: I join with the member about sexualized violence on campus. That is wrong, and it will not be tolerated by anyone, I think, in this House.
The member is correct. It was under her government that policies were required to be put in place. But I want to remind everybody in this House that that came with zero dollars. It was our government that provided three-quarters of a million dollars to colleges and universities to prevent and to respond to sexual violence. That was our government.
We also provided half a million dollars to public post-secondary institutions to establish and improve anonymous reporting systems. They needed help, and it was our government that responded with the resources that they needed.
We also introduced a new requirement that all private training institutions must now have sexual violence policies and report on them annually. The previous government let them off the hook around this.
We’re going to continue to work with our private and public post-secondary institutions to make sure everyone feels safe on campus.
COURT CASE ON ACCESS TO LEGAL AID
BY VICTIMS OF
GENDER-BASED VIOLENCE
E. Sturko: Gender-based family violence is a life-or-death issue, and women are disproportionately impacted by a lack of access to family legal services. Shockingly, 70 percent of legal aid applications are made by women, and 55 percent of those applications are denied.
Despite the urgent need for support, the Premier, in his former role as Attorney General, repeatedly put up roadblocks to quash a case launched by the Single Mothers Alliance in 2017. Last year the Premier even directed lawyers to try to have the case thrown out. Women fleeing domestic violence and abuse deserve better than a Premier who actively tries to deny them access to justice.
Why did this Premier try to throw out the case of the Single Mothers Alliance?
Hon. N. Sharma: I want to thank the member for the very important question.
As the matter is before the court, I can’t comment on the specifics of the case. I can say that access to justice is something that this government takes very seriously.
We’ve invested and continue to invest in access-to-justice services, particularly in the area of family law, by focusing on early resolution for family law. Women and people without access to lawyers can get early resolution for the matters that they need and divert things away from the courtroom.
We’ll continue to focus on investing in the services that we know people need, particularly women, when it comes to the court system.
Mr. Speaker: Member for Surrey South, supplemental.
E. Sturko: Well, the problem is that we are talking about a specific case, one intervened in by the Premier himself. That answer just simply wasn’t good enough. The Premier led the effort to intervene in a case against the Single Mothers Alliance, and he needs to make the effort to fix the damage that he has done.
To the Premier, when will the Premier fix the damage he has done opposing the Single Mothers Alliance?
Hon. N. Sharma: As I’m unable to talk about a case before the court, I’d like to talk about our investments in legal aid.
When they were in government, Mr. Speaker, they had 40 percent cuts across the board, and they cut family law services by 60 percent.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Shhh.
Hon. N. Sharma: They completely eliminated poverty law services in this province.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: It’s okay.
Hon. N. Sharma: They cut the number of staff from 460 to 155 and the number of offices from 42 to just seven. That’s what they thought about access to justice.
Interjections.
Mr. Speaker: Members.
Hon. N. Sharma: We’ve been continually investing in services to make it easier for people to access our justice system, and we will continue to do so.
GOVERNMENT HOTLINE FOR
RACIST INCIDENT
REPORTING
T. Wat: It is shameful that Vancouver has become the anti-Asian hate crime capital of North America. Asian women are facing rising violence, based on both race and gender.
My colleagues and I have been calling for a racist incident hotline since 2020, but the NDP government has only made empty announcements for years. As is typical of NDP, they’ve failed to do it.
The Human Rights Commissioner has called out the NDP for their delay and lack of action, saying: “The ministry was unable to provide details, including when it would be operational, who would operate it and what funding would be allocated to it.” This delay is unacceptable and leaves Asian women at risk of more violence and discrimination.
Why did this Premier break his promise to implement a racist incident hotline?
Hon. N. Sharma: I would like to thank the member for raising this important issue. I was at the announcement yesterday with the Human Rights Commissioner, where she addressed the rise in hate that we saw during COVID. I got to hear firsthand of some of the incidents of that hate and what people suffered.
It’s obviously something that we take seriously and that we can all, in this House, condemn, jointly and together, and send a clear message that hate in this province is unacceptable. One thing I’d also like to say is that this is why we reinstated the Human Rights Commissioner in 2019.
You can see, with that anti-hate report she issued yesterday, the valuable contribution that having an independent Human Rights Commissioner does for our province, for us to understand, in government, how we need to respond.
I’ll be looking at those very detailed recommendations. We’ll be reviewing it with our team, and this government will respond to them.
[End of question period.]
Petitions
J. Rice: I rise today to present a petition. The undersigned petitioners call on the government of British Columbia and the Legislative Assembly to amend the Ports Property Tax Act, SBC 2004, as soon as possible, to reinstate a sunset clause or to exempt the city of Prince Rupert.
The legislation was instituted in 2004 as a temporary incentive to spur port investment. In hindsight, that goal was achieved. Granting petitioners this request will have numerous benefits, such as that the tax burden will no longer be unfairly shifted from port industries to homeowners and small businesses.
The provincial treasury will save millions of dollars. Taxpayers will no longer subsidize wealthy multinational corporations. The risk of trade war with the U.S.A. can be avoided. Municipal tax autonomy will be restored, and lastly, port properties will finally pay their fair share of property taxes to support vital investments in communities.
Tabling Documents
Hon. N. Sharma: I have the honour to present the annual report of the Labour Relations Board for the year ending December 31, 2022.
Orders of the Day
Hon. R. Kahlon: In the main House, I call continued debate on the budget.
In Committee A, I call continued debate on supplementary estimates for the Ministry of Agriculture and Food, followed by supplementary estimates for the Ministry of Social Development and Poverty Reduction.
[S. Chandra Herbert in the chair.]
Budget Debate
(continued)
M. de Jong: Before the Finance Minister is taken to other duties, I thought I would alert her to my initial remarks, which is to acknowledge the work that she and her staff have done on this, her first budget. It is a challenging task to coordinate the requests and priorities of an agency as diverse as the provincial government has become, to distil that down and present it to be confronted by the questions and the scrutiny that comes from the media.
This is her first opportunity to do that, and there is a tremendous amount of work involved. That’s worth acknowledging. I’ll have other things to say about some of the choices that have been made along the way, but the effort is worth acknowledging. I’m sure that she has other duties that will call her attention.
Having said that, I want to say candidly and up front that the budget troubles me. I am not supportive of the choices and the overall direction laid out in the budget, and I’ll endeavour, over the time available to me, to explain why that is.
In doing so, I’d like to focus on a word that, over the time I’ve been here, has come into considerable usage, perhaps in a slightly different context than I am about to apply it, but I think it’s equally applicable in these circumstances. The word I’m talking about is “sustainable.” As much used as that word is….
It’s usually in the context of environmental public policy. The Forests Minister is here and knows that much of what he is charged with overseeing, as it relates to applying the annual allowable cut, is rooted in the principle of sustainability, the notion that it would be folly to authorize the wholesale harvest of timber in a way that wouldn’t allow or ensure that there is a timber resource available in the future.
That is equally true of other resources. Fishing — we talk about harvest levels because it’s fundamentally understood that if we overharvest, if the harvest is not sustainable, then ultimately, great problems will exist. Ultimately, that resource will disappear. Even in agriculture, the cycle of production, of generating waste, the idea that it needs to be sustainable is something….
I see the former Agriculture Minister, who I presume would not quarrel with the importance of that concept as it relates to the agricultural and agrifood sector in the province.
All to say that it’s a concept I think is widely embraced in that context, and if it’s possible to come up with a definition, I would say this. Over the years, I have come to understand sustainability as engagement in an activity in a manner that may continue in perpetuity and doesn’t compromise the ability of others to pursue that activity in the future. I don’t know if that’s a perfect definition, but I hope this notion of sustainability and the perpetual ability to engage in an activity and not compromising the ability of others in the future to engage in that activity is a meaningful and appropriate one.
If that is so, and if that notion of sustainability is equally applicable in the context of financial planning and budgeting, then by that measure, this budget is unsustainable. It is unsustainable in so many different ways that the government is reluctant to or refuses to acknowledge.
I’ll begin. The government has committed to deficit financing, not on a short-term or limited basis. In the absence of any comment to the contrary, one must assume that they have committed to that on an ongoing basis. Over the course of the three years of this fiscal plan, deficits are not expected to reduce below $3 billion ever. In fact, for a couple years, they are over $4 billion.
The government inherited, six years ago, a circumstance: a healthy balance sheet, a strong economy and a taxpayer-supported debt of approximately $42 billion. It took 130 years in British Columbia to accumulate just over $40 billion in taxpayer-supported debt. This fiscal plan anticipates taxpayer-supported debt, by the time it’s complete, of $100 billion. Let me say that again: 130 years to accumulate $40 billion. Over the course of seven years, the province is planning on adding in excess of $60 billion, in that short, limited period of time.
Insofar as the fiscal plan and the budget that is before us represents a blueprint and a window into the direction that the government intends to take not just for this year but for the three years of the fiscal plan and beyond that, I think it’s fair to extrapolate on where this might take us. So let’s look even three years beyond this fiscal plan. I don’t think that’s unfair. I don’t think that’s unreasonable to at least ask the question, based on the direction that is charted in this budget, in this fiscal plan, where we might end up by the year 2029.
Well, here’s what the numbers tell us. We will have an accumulated taxpayer-supported debt of somewhere between $140 billion and $160 billion. We will have a taxpayer-supported debt-to-GDP ratio of 30 percent and taxpayer-supported debt-to-revenue numbers that seem to be increasing on average by 15 percent and that, if that trend continues, will be 190 percent.
Now, I was tempted to draw a comparison between those numbers and what occurred in the 1990s, but there’s no point in doing that, because these numbers are way worse. These numbers make that set of fiscal challenges pale by comparison.
I say this not to be needlessly provocative, but if anyone needs to be reminded of the complications and the challenges that resulted from that manner of fiscal planning — or non-planning, if that’s the more appropriate term — then one only needs to look at the fact that the government of that day was reduced to two seats. That’s how difficult the circumstances became and how unable, ultimately, that government was to deal with the challenges that resulted from that manner of fiscal mismanagement.
The challenge is that it could be even worse, because the government has chosen, in this budget, to do something that we haven’t seen since 1996, which is that they have begun to manipulate the numbers. In the aftermath of what famously became the fudge-it budget, a set of safeguards were put in place, one of them being the introduction of the forecast council, the body independent from government that brought its considered opinions and offered its views on what would be happening to the economy in terms of growth projections and that sort of thing.
From that point forward, and certainly starting in 2001, governments were loath to inject themselves and manipulate those numbers. But this budget does just that, because for the first time since then, since that scandal — and it was a scandal — the government has chosen to supplant the forecast council’s advice with numbers of its own and, particularly in the out-years, has substituted its own growth forecasts for those of the forecast council.
The rationale for doing that is fascinating and somewhat ironic. In explaining why the government feels entitled to substitute its economic growth forecast numbers for that of the forecast council, here’s what the government says: “The ministry’s medium-term outlook is slightly higher than the average Economic Forecast Council forecast to account for the anticipated effects of LNG production over that period.”
Well, isn’t that interesting? The government, the group, the party that only a few short years ago ridiculed LNG as a pipedream, said it would never happen, a sizeable percentage of their caucus being opposed to it even today, is now relying upon that very activity to justify overruling a group of experts who say economic growth will not exist, will not take place at the levels this government is predicting.
In the 1990s and in ’96, that was referred to as injecting a little extra optimism into the budget. It proved catastrophic. It proved wrong. Yet today this government has fallen victim to the same temptation to base a set of numbers not on what experts are saying but on what they hope might happen.
What do we have to show for all the spending that exists within this budget? Are we getting better value for money in health care, in housing, in capital projects? Well, we just listened in question period to a whole series of issues involving our health care system.
Ongoing challenges: a million families without a family doctor; ambulance waits; quite frankly, the lack of access to basic care in our hospital facilities. Does the government really think that if they asked people on the street about the effect of housing policies, people would tell them: “Oh, yes, you’re doing great. It’s so much better”? Quite the contrary, Mr. Speaker. It’s worse than ever. Capital projects continue to run behind schedule and over budget, where the mantra today is, “Less for more,” as opposed to: “More for less.”
The government says to people, “Ah, but look at this; measure us by the extent of the spending, by the extent of the investment we are making,” yet asks people to ignore the results associated with that spending.
For all of that, I am going to say this. The budget is not, in my view, unsustainable purely because of the overall spending levels, although I think I can make a pretty compelling argument around that. Actually, that challenge, that problem, can be overcome.
The budget is ultimately unsustainable because of what it’s missing, and what it’s missing is a coherent, discernible plan for promoting economic growth. All of the indicators, whether the government wants to admit this or not, contained in its budget are pointed in the wrong direction.
You go to page 84, a nice little graph at page 84 of the budget, table 3.1. You look at what the forecasts are around exports. We are a trading jurisdiction. The export numbers are significantly in decline. You look at the manufacturing numbers. Exports are down 11 percent this year, another 12 percent next year, significant declines in exports. Manufacturing shipments, again, anticipated to be to be in decline going forward.
Retail sales. There’s a nice little graph on page 87 of the budget, “B.C. retail sales.” The government and the Finance Minister will quickly point out: “Ah, but retail sales are still trending on the positive side of the ledger. They’re still going up by 2-point-something percent.” Except, Mr. Speaker, we measure retail sales on the basis of value, and with inflation running at, at least, 6 percent, a 2 percent increase actually represents a drop. It actually means people are spending less, and they’re spending less because they’re worried, spending less because they’re terrified of what the future holds. The trend lines are in the opposite direction.
Where is the strategy to grow aerospace? Where is the strategy to grow our shipping sector and shipping support sector? Budgets are instruments that can be used to promote positive economic activity and growth.
Yet when you go to this document, this budget, and you go to page 136, you see the international business activity program tax refund has actually been eliminated. Now, that’s a decision that was made earlier. How dare we use the tax system to try and attract people to come and do business here? Now, the irony: it was a tax credit for promoting international business, engage the attention of foreign operators.
It’s interesting that while it’s being eliminated, right above it is an indication that the amount of B.C. tax money going to foreign film production is now up to $900 million, almost $1 billion. It’d be interesting to know the justification for why, as I’ve heard so many times from the government benches that using the tax system to attract international investment and business is such a terrible thing, yet almost $1 billion is now being sent to studios in Hollywood.
We can all think of worthwhile ways to spend more taxpayers’ money. I’ve got some ideas of my own as it relates to helping young people gain access to education and training. But to be sustainable, a budget needs to also lay out a plan and a vision that promotes the economic growth that will be required to pay for those ideas.
All of us can pick something out of this budget and hold it up as worthwhile and worthy of support. Opposition has spoken positively about taxpayer support for access to contraception. But with a record $80 billion in spending, you would expect to find at least a couple of things in the budget that you like. But I’m going to say this. A house with a new TV, a new dishwasher and a new couch isn’t going to last very long if the foundation is crumbling. The path we’re on leads to a crumbling foundation.
I will say this again. Surely the individual programs that are referred to in a fiscal plan like this are not the sole measure of a budget that needs to address the immediate and future needs of nearly five million people. Surely it’s also important to ask these questions: how does the budget protect people from future unforeseen calamities? How does the budget create future opportunity? How does it preserve choices for future generations? As I say, how sustainable is the path that the government has chosen, the fiscal path that the government has chosen?
By all of those measures, this budget fails. Yes, budgets are about people, but they should be about all people, including children and grandchildren. Budgets shouldn’t be compromising children’s and grandchildren’s future for short-term political gain.
Someone asked me, I guess a week or two ago, after the budget had been tabled and I was back home: how would you describe the budget? What’s one word you would use to describe the budget? I thought for a moment, and I said: “Selfish.”
It’s a selfish budget, a selfish budget advanced by a government whose members seem to be driven first and foremost by their desire to secure political self-preservation. I understand how easy that is. That temptation is easy to succumb to, because there’s something else the proponents of this budget, I think, understand, and understand very well. They won’t be here to clean up the mess. They won’t be here to clean up the mess that lies at the end of the trail this budget and this approach to fiscal planning is forging.
I began by referring to the concept of sustainability, and I think that is where I’ll end my remarks. I’ll try to draw this analogy. The fiscal plan before us, in my view, is the budgetary equivalent of clearcutting the fiscal forest. This budget and the direction it charts will leave future generations with a barren, desolate, lifeless economic landscape that allows for few choices beyond debt repayment and entirely exposes our citizens to the kinds of calamitous events that can be visited upon us in an unpredictable and unstable world.
This budget, because of its unsustainability, in my view, robs choice and opportunity from young people. It will, ultimately, rob choice and opportunity from children. It will, ultimately, rob choice and opportunity from grandchildren. I will not be party to that kind of theft, and for that reason, I will not support this budget.
Deputy Speaker: Member, of course, language alleging illegal activity is not allowed in the chamber unless you’re going to move a motion, so I would ask you to withdraw that last word.
Thank you, Member for Abbotsford West.
M. de Jong: Withdrawn.
D. Routley: It’s my pleasure to rise in support of Budget 2023 and to offer a counter-narrative to what we’ve just heard. In fact, what is happening in B.C. is not a fiscal clearcutting but a silviculture effort aimed at making that forest healthy again, restoring balance and supporting the healthy growth of a diverse and thriving ecology, fiscally and financially, as well as socially, in this province. Those things are interlinked in a way that cannot be separated.
That is one of the fundamental misunderstandings of the previous government’s approach to governing in this province. B.C. is a great place to live. People are certainly facing real challenges in our province, and they are uncertain about the future. What they do know is that they have a government that is standing in the corner with them and ready to fight for their well-being by making strategic and necessary investments in the services of this province that help support a thriving economy.
Those investments include, in housing, $4.2 billion — the biggest three-year investment in B.C. history. These are the areas of concern for British Columbians. All of us on all sides of the House hear from British Columbians, and these are the things we hear about. We hear about housing. That $4.2 billion will go a long way to creating the housing stock that the province lacks.
One of the other primary concerns people have is with health care. In health care, this province is investing $6.4 billion in a variety of ways, from mental health care through to hospitals, research and cancer care.
Another area of concern for all of us in all of our communities, whether they be small or large in this province, is the crisis regarding the mental health and addictions of British Columbians. In that area, we also see an unprecedented investment of $1 billion, addressing the foundational strengths of B.C. that the member previous attempted to refer to.
Yes, British Columbians are facing increased costs — just as every citizen of the planet and, certainly, of this country — but this province is not leaving them alone in that challenge. We are investing $4.5 billion in helping families meet the increased costs that they’ve been facing. That includes $3 billion in new tax credits for B.C. families, including the B.C. family benefit, the climate action tax credit and the new income-tested renter’s tax credit. These are elements that will help people weather what is sure to be a downturn, globally, that will affect B.C.
If the government were to follow the path of the previous B.C. Liberal government, none of these investments would be made. In fact, the opposite would be happening. If the B.C. Liberals were guiding the good ship B.C. at this point, we would probably see what we saw in their 16 years in government — cuts to services and tax breaks for the wealthy.
Another area of concern for every British Columbian is public safety and access to justice. We heard about that earlier today. This government is investing $462 million in public safety measures and increased access to justice for British Columbians, particularly vulnerable and struggling British Columbians.
We are also developing a Future Ready plan for our labour force, to deal with a labour shortage and to upskill British Columbia’s labour force. So $480 million will go into that effort to train and upskill British Columbians and to invest, so that when the downturn that is anticipated subsides and we return to a healthier environment, B.C. will be ready to lead again. If we were to follow the example of the B.C. Liberal government of 16 years, those services would be continuing to be cut.
In climate and environment, $1.4 billion is being invested to protect things like watershed restoration.
Yes, the fiscal facts are…. The deficit is anticipated, in ’23-24, to be $4.2 billion but will decline from that point forward, with $3.8 billion anticipated in ’24-25 and $3 billion in ’25-26.
The member for Abbotsford West was concerned about debt. Well, he should feel reassured. We have the strongest economy in Canada and the best credit rating. The debt-to-GDP ratio will remain relatively low compared to other provinces. It is manageable and, contrary to what the previous speaker indicated, sustainable. What is unsustainable would be cuts to services that British Columbians depend on when they need them most.
The public accounts for 2022-2023 will return to order. British Columbians have that faith. B.C. is, as I said, a great place to live.
Let’s consider what would have happened had we not made these investments. For example, one of the measures that this government took was to restrict rent increases to 2 percent. The previous government had changed rent increases to be inflation plus 2 percent. If that had happened, British Columbians would have seen 8 percent increases in their rent this year, rather than 2 percent.
The misguidedness represented in that would have been permanent. Of course, it’s not as though those rents will go down when the economy recovers or when interest rates go down. That would be baked in as permanent inflation in our economy and in the lives of some of the most vulnerable British Columbians. Instead of giving massive tax breaks to wealthy people, this government chooses to invest in the people of British Columbia.
The opposition leader says that he is opposed to investing the surplus this year into services for people, investing in people. He would cut supports like the $1 billion growing communities fund that was recently announced.
Every local government elected official that I’ve spoken to is very happy to see this unprecedented investment in their community. Just in the communities that I represent, over $40 million is being invested in a form that allows local government to set its own priorities and to leverage that money to their own best advantage. That’s an unprecedented investment in support for local governments that the B.C. Liberal government never provided.
We are investing in cancer care. The opposition voted against that investment. The opposition leader has promised that he would not make those investments. So, in fact, those services would be cut if our government weren’t in office.
The B.C. affordability credit that provides up to $410 in support for a family with two children would be gone. Can you imagine? At a time when costs are increased, that family would not only have faced perhaps an 8 percent rental increase, which would have averaged somewhere around $2,500 per year per family, but they’d also lose their B.C. affordability credit.
The opposition leader has a record. In 2012, his budget increased costs on people and made aggressive cuts to their services. He hiked MSP premiums at that time. Over the time of their government, they doubled those premiums. We eliminated MSP premiums. That was the largest middle-class tax break in the history of the province. Not only did they hike MSP premiums, but ICBC rates skyrocketed under the former government. At the same time, they raided half a billion dollars in order to balance the budget in 2012.
They cut child care funding at that point. How would families cope right now if child care were cut? A family receiving child care benefits in this province now benefits to the tune of up to $900 per month per child. A young family renting, if the B.C. Liberals were in government, would be paying MSP premiums, would be paying an 8 percent rent increase and would lose their $410 support for their family. That family of two would lose up to about $2,000 per month in child care subsidies.
These are life-changing supports that were provided by this government that would be ripped out from under those families should the B.C. Liberals be controlling the budget.
They froze education funding and ordered universities to cut $70 million from their budget. That’s what they did in 2012. They started the fire sale of public properties. That eventually sold $1 billion in public land, much of it at a fraction of its value, to high-value donors to the B.C. Liberal Party, including the sale of the Surrey Hospital lands. Yes.
This is the record of the previous government and their failure to support B.C. families. Budget 2023 turns that around and continues the effort to pull the plane out of the dive, to climb again and to provide the supports that families need in order to create and provide a thriving economy. Because, contrary to what the previous speaker suggested, it is not any government that provides a thriving economy. It is the people of B.C.
The people of B.C. delivered the Canada-leading economy that we enjoy now. The people of B.C. delivered the fastest recovery from COVID that this country has seen. How? Because they did that through partnership with a government that has their backs and that understands that investing in the people of B.C. is indeed the true foundational strength of our province, to use some of the phrases that the previous speaker, I would suggest, misused.
Yes, all those cuts were made by the previous Finance Minister, Leader of the Opposition, in 2012. But he found something to give out to some. He found resources to introduce a new $42,000 tax break for people buying a second home or a vacation home.
That was the priority. That was the priority in 2012 — a $42,000 tax break for people buying a second home.
While this government takes measures to reduce speculation and its effect on inflation, that is the record of the B.C. Liberal government. People couldn’t afford that approach then, and they can’t afford it now. British Columbians are depending on us to provide the support needed.
The Representative for Children and Youth, at the time in 2012, said: “This will hurt people who are poor or vulnerable. There’s been a real abandonment of the families-first agenda. It’s a very harsh and punishing budget.” Those were the words of the Child, Youth and Family Advocate at the time.
We are investing in all of the measures that people depend on and expect us to recognize and to place as priority, similar to their own. That is the job of government, in my opinion. This government is finally doing that.
Just in terms of helping people meet the challenges of inflation, the rising costs of living, this government has rolled out already almost $2.4 billion in supports. That’s since 2022. Three B.C. affordability credits in October, January and April. Higher B.C. family benefit amounts for January, February and March. A $100 credit for people’s power bills. ICBC rebates for drivers — multiple rebates. Enhanced school affordability fund to help parents and kids with back-to-school costs.
Thousands of B.C. families are benefiting from lower child care fees through the affordable child care benefit, the $10-a-day child care B.C. program and the child care fee reduction initiative. These save families up to $900 per child per month.
Those are life-changing savings that not only contribute to the well-being of a family but the well-being of the overall economy. These are families who aren’t taking that support and spending it in a resort somewhere. They’re spending it in their local community, supporting their families. That’s why it’s good for B.C.
Budget 2023 invests $214 million over three years to expand existing school food programs. B.C. will also be the first jurisdiction in Canada to make contraception free to all of its residents, which supports a family’s right to plan and a woman’s right to choose.
Families with children will see a 10 percent increase in the monthly B.C. family benefit, starting in July 2023. For a two-parent family with two children, this amounts to as much as an additional $250 per year to help buy healthy food, pay bills and enroll kids in extracurricular activities. For a single parent with one child, this amounts to an additional $650 per year or almost $12,000 in extra support over 18 years.
A new income-tested renter’s tax credit will be provided. It will provide as much as $400 annually to renters. That starts in 2024. Recognizing the tight rental market that British Columbians face, this government is acting.
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In terms of affordable housing, where we were in 2018, housing prices were being driven up by rampant speculation and years of underinvestment in creating new homes. Homes for B.C.: A 30-Point Plan for Housing Affordability in British Columbia set out the first phase of the province’s actions to address housing affordability with an initial investment of $7 billion over ten years to build new homes — that being the biggest housing investment in B.C. history to date.
The plan also included measures to moderate an overheated housing market, crack down on tax fraud, close loopholes, prevent speculation and provide security for renters and homeowners.
How does that compare to the B.C. Liberal record? Well, the B.C. Liberals opened up the Residential Tenancy Act and opened up renters to renovictions, opened up mobile home park tenants to redevelopment of parks without penalty to the owners. Those were the measures that the previous government took with housing, at a time when the federal government had stopped housing transfers.
We are building and unlocking more homes. With the growing population in B.C., we need more homes to address the pressures of the housing and rental market and to have an affordable housing supply for the future. Budget 2023 makes significant investments to help put more shovels in the ground and get more affordable, attainable homes built throughout the province. Almost $1.7 billion in operating and capital funding over the fiscal plan will create thousands of homes through the B.C. Builds and Building B.C. programs, which include targeted investments in the Indigenous housing fund and the community housing fund.
The rapid housing initiative is a federal-provincial cost-share program; $66 million will help people in B.C. who have urgent housing needs. The government is taking action to address homelessness and encampments. As much as $640 million in additional funding over three years for the supportive housing fund will help build and operate more supportive housing for people experiencing or at risk of homelessness.
Our government is taking action with a further $169 million over the fiscal plan to create additional new complex care housing units, as well as $97 million in operating funding that will support complex care services such as enhanced health, mental health and substance use services for people who need additional support beyond traditional supportive housing.
I’m proud of the budget and the steps that our government is taking to support families. The member for Abbotsford West indicated that sustainability is an issue that needs to be addressed through budgets. That’s exactly what this government is doing: building sustainable investments in education, housing and child care that, in turn, create the foundations of a sustainable economy. I’m not surprised that the member misunderstood those investments, because their time in government showed that they had failed to grasp the importance of those to the health and well-being of a sustainable economy.
Advancing skills for the jobs of the future. A new grant for short-term skills training will help people get relevant skills and training they need to succeed in good-paying, high-demand jobs.
One of the biggest challenges to businesses throughout the province is the labour shortage, particularly the skilled labour shortage. New funding to assist small and medium-sized businesses in funding and implementing practical solutions to current labour market challenges and to prepare for a changing economy will help them adjust.
We’re creating more opportunities for Indigenous peoples, including funding to support Indigenous-led programs, such as the new guardian training program that will be co-developed with Indigenous peoples. We are creating thousands of new training seats for in-demand fields to help build up workforce-ready participants who are able to meet the demands of the future.
We are looking for clean, sustainable economic development. Budget 2023 invests more than $250 million over three years to protect, maintain and care for B.C.’s abundant natural resources, including $21 million to partner with First Nations on eight more forest landscape planning tables to protect more old growth while providing greater certainty on where sustainable harvesting can occur.
This is so important. We need to build a new social contract for forestry, and we’re doing that by encouraging Indigenous and community-led planning and participation in forestry, and to value forests for their full spectrum of value.
And $77 million is being invested to speed up natural resource permitting and begin modernizing B.C.’s permitting service delivery model, which will help reduce backlogs and help communities that are forest-dependent reach their goals.
Also, $6 million will be invested over three years for a new critical minerals strategy to leverage B.C.’s natural resource advantages and to continue to assess the critical mineral value chain potential; $101 million will be invested in operating and capital funding over the fiscal plan to help preserve and enhance outdoor recreational opportunities in B.C. Parks and outdoor recreation sites and trails; and $49 million in operating and capital funding over three years to maintain and upgrade forest service roads.
These are fundamental investments in our forest economy, fundamental investments in a sustainable B.C. economy and an effort to develop a community-led and Indigenous-led plan for landscape management that will provide certainty to industry and sustainability to the communities of British Columbia.
B.C. has one of the strongest climate plans in North America, and Budget 2023 continues to build on the cornerstones of the CleanBC Roadmap to 2030 to reduce emissions and build a sustainable economy for the future.
Building on the past investments, this budget commits $100 million over the next three years for building active transportation networks, the single largest investment in active transportation in B.C. history. As a cyclist, that was welcome news to me and my friends. Whether people are cyclists like myself or they walk or take transit, this new funding will expand different modes of transportation that work best for various B.C. communities, as they see fit.
Approximately $40 million will move forward B.C.’s transition to a zero-emission economy through the CleanBC go electric commercial vehicle pilot program, and that will help B.C.-based businesses, non-profit organizations and eligible public entities make the switch to zero-emission vehicles, including medium and heavy-duty trucks.
We are also building climate-resilient communities. Budget 2023 includes more than $1.1 billion over the next three years to fight climate change by building more climate-resilient communities. For those communities still affected by climate-related disasters, Budget 2023 makes smart investments to help local communities build back stronger and help people seize the opportunities of a low-carbon future.
That plan includes $750 million committed in Budget 2022 to help communities affected by extreme climate-related disasters, such as wildfires and the November 2021 floods. Through Budget 2023, the province is allocating an additional $300 million in capital funding over the fiscal plan to support the repair or replacement of provincial infrastructure damaged by climate emergencies.
We are investing in B.C. We are investing in the people of B.C. We are investing in training and child care and housing and community safety and transit and transportation and infrastructure. These are the things that are the priorities of British Columbians. I started out by listing those priorities and pointing out how Budget 2023 is directly addressing the priorities of British Columbians. I pointed out housing, health care, mental health and addiction, help with costs — the cost of living, the pressures of inflation — public safety and access to justice.
We heard about the previous government’s record of closing justice centres, of closing courthouses, of cutting off access to justice through legal aid cuts, cutting education, cutting university funding, giving tax breaks to the most wealthy in this province, giving tax breaks to speculators — counterproductive. The very measures that put us in the place that we found ourselves in 2017, with the plane headed to the ground. Well, we pulled up. We levelled, and now we’re climbing along with the people of B.C.
They are the ones who deserve the credit for having done this, not the government, not the opposition. The people of B.C. deserve the credit, and they deserve a partner who will stand with them, make the investments necessary to support them and to see their success. That’s what this government does. We understand that healthy, thriving public services are the core foundational elements of a thriving private economy. That’s balance.
British Columbians are comfortable with what they see as a government trying to take a balanced and measured approach to the vexing problems we all face together. None of them are easy problems to solve: education, homelessness, the forestry industry, the ecological challenges we face, climate change.
Everyone who I represent understands that there are no simple solutions, certainly not simple enough that a tax break will solve their problems, certainly not so simple that cuts to services will somehow help them. No, they expect their government to have their back, to make the investments that will support them, to see that only when they thrive will B.C. thrive.
That’s the essential equation that this government works with: that supporting people will result in a thriving British Columbia. We intend to continue supporting them. We hope that as they recognize the difference between these investments and the cuts that they experienced in the 16 years of B.C. Liberal governance, they will understand that this government has their back, that they can build a thriving life in their communities and that we will be there with them every day.
R. Merrifield: After that very impassioned address by my colleague from Nanaimo–North Cowichan and his airport and airplane analogies, I feel like I would characterize this budget as: “Mayday, mayday, mayday. We’re coming in for a crash landing.”
It is always a privilege, though, to rise in this House and to speak on behalf of my amazing riding and all of the residents of Kelowna-Mission. I do want to acknowledge the work that staff did in the Ministry of Finance and the minister’s office to prepare this budget because I understand the tremendous amount of work it takes, and their efforts on behalf of British Columbians are commendable.
Really, this budget is the first chance that we get to see our new Premier in action, the first chance that he gets to put his stamp on the place. He has been measuring the drapes for a while. We’ve had over 100 days of his leadership. As an observer, albeit a partisan, my initial reaction to his 100 days in office was: “Meh.”
What did he really do? Did we get any real action to increase public safety? No. Random attacks on British Columbians continue at an alarming rate. Repeat offenders still roam our streets with impunity, and communities live in fear. Mayors, police and prosecutors are waiting for solutions to put a stop to the catch-and-release system initiated by this Premier while he was the Attorney General — waiting, waiting.
Did we see any real action to address our health care crisis? No. British Columbians are still languishing on long wait-lists, waiting outside walk-in clinics in the cold because they don’t have a family doctor, waiting for cancer treatment — waiting, waiting.
The Premier did come home with some federal money, though, for health care, but nothing more than a drop in a bucket. I don’t even think that deserves a golf clap. Sadly, the money will go down to pay the massive deficit the community scam agreement has caused in the construction of the Cowichan Hospital project, so no real lift from those federal dollars to assist British Columbians or our overworked, stressed and worn-out health care workers.
Did the newly minted Premier move quickly to address our opioid crisis, the toxic drug crisis that has taken the lives of almost 2,300 of our fellow British Columbians just in the last year alone, six people a day? He must have worked at lightning speed to open treatment options, to increase capacity to detox, right? No, he didn’t. Those addicted to these drugs are waiting for just a sliver of hope, a lifeline that they could grab onto, because their next hit could be their last. Families are begging the government for options just to save their loved ones. They’re waiting for real results. They’re waiting, waiting.
Housing. Surely he did something meaningful to fix our crisis of housing. Last week I rose in this place to talk about an 81-year-old senior living in their car, waiting for a spot in seniors subsidized housing for two years, now forced to live in their car — in their car — waiting for action from this new Premier, waiting, waiting.
Here we were, Tuesday afternoon, budget day 2023. I was actually naively excited. I was ready to give this new administration the benefit of the doubt that this budget would finally make good on so many promises made by this NDP government, spanning two elections, two terms, six years. This budget would finally deliver the results that so many British Columbians and residents of my riding in Kelowna-Mission have been waiting for. Naive, I know. I really should know better by now. This may be a new Premier, a new Finance Minister, but this is still the same old NDP.
The budget delivered last week sounded very much like the budget delivered in 2022 — lots of promises, lots of spending, high on rhetoric, low on results. In fact, the spending was almost chaotic. As I’ve been listening to others speak about the budget, it literally sounds chaotic. It’s devoid of any connection to meaningful outcomes, and that seems to be the playbook of this government. They aren’t interested in results, in outcomes. When we question them on outcomes and results, all they want to talk about is how much they’re spending.
That isn’t what British Columbians expect. British Columbians want results for their hard-earned tax dollars, because the chaotic spending isn’t the money that this NDP government has. The money is from taxpaying British Columbians. Right now British Columbians don’t have money to spare. Some 44 percent are $200 away from bankruptcy, 28 percent of women are out of money, and 22 percent of the population is….
They aren’t asking a lot. British Columbians want to see a doctor when they’re sick. British Columbians would like a place where they can afford to live or call their own. British Columbians would like to buy groceries and still have enough left over to save for a rainy day. British Columbians would like to be able to find essentials, like cold medication, when they need it. British Columbians would like to walk their streets, not feel afraid, and not face the risk of a random attack.
These are all reasonable requests in a province that is as wealthy as ours is. These are all requests that a competent and attentive government should be able to deliver, but not this government, unfortunately.
The silver lining of this budget: free contraception. Government made British Columbians beg for six years for this. So if it was a bit underwhelming, forgive us. The world for British Columbians has changed in the six years that this government has been in power.
Let me read you a quote from a letter written by a constituent of mine.
“My wife and I had a serious discussion this evening about our options to leave British Columbia. It’s gut-wrenching to think of leaving family and friends and selling the two businesses we spent most of our lives building. But what other options do we have?
“Our effective tax rate, after all is said and done, is north of 60 percent. With the sales tax, carbon tax, federal tax, it’s 60 percent of our income.
“My pregnant wife can’t see a doctor when she needs to. When my son is sick, we sit in non-emergency care or walk-ins for hours and hours on end, hoping he doesn’t have RSV or strep, because we can’t get antibiotics.”
I ask you, hon. Speaker. Does this sound like a British Columbian who is getting value for their hard-earned tax dollars?
This budget communicated absolutely nothing but flashy promises and shiny packaging. No path forward towards results for British Columbians.
This budget has revenues going down, while spending is going up. Think about that. Revenues are going down, while spending is going up. Instead of spending on investments into our economy, trying to restart the engine, and into jobs, this budget frivolously tries to hand out measly trinkets of dollars without changing the lives of British Columbians at all.
A text message I received the night after the budget was released, from a senior in my riding who was on the brink of homelessness himself, said: “Do they think we’re stupid?”
British Columbians are not fooled by $33 in a month, paid next year, after taxes are filed, for a renters rebate that was actually promised six years ago. They want a great-paying job, a thriving economy and a government that invests in their futures and in the futures of their kids and their grandkids.
Where were the senior supports in the budget? I couldn’t find them. They, out of everyone in British Columbia, deserve more. They can’t just go out and make more money to cover the costs and the inflation that this NDP government is creating.
Here’s the context for us. Since the NDP took over in 2017, spending has increased by 57 percent. Likewise, the public service has expanded by close to 30 percent. Have services gotten better? No, not even a little.
Interjection.
R. Merrifield: Clapping with a no. That’s really awesome. I would not celebrate the fact that people can’t get a doctor, that people can’t get into a hospital and that people can’t find affordable housing. That is nothing to celebrate.
Let’s look at the reasons that were given in the budget for these expenditures: a growing economy and population. That’s why we need to spend 57 percent more. But over that same period, the economy only grew by 15 percent and the province’s population by six.
Across both of these baselines, then, it’s fair to say that government operations have been extensively widened, without a measurable impact whatsoever. Spending of this nature, if allowed to continue unchecked, represents a challenge to long-term sustainability. Consider this the check.
Let’s talk about how things are going with all of this spending by the NDP. After six years of this NDP government, housing has never been more expensive — the highest cost in North America, the most expensive in all of Canada. Certainly not a badge I would want to wear.
On my way to the airport, I spoke to a constituent in his 70s who is no longer able to make his ends meet. His rent has almost doubled this last year, as his unit was turned into a seasonal rental, sending him to look for another rental in town.
He showed me his budget. After I looked through it, I was filled with indignation, knowing that society is asking him to subsist below any minimum-income job.
This is a familiar tale. Young adults are living with parents for longer, as they cannot afford to move out. Most will not be able to even afford housing ownership, as right now it takes an income of $250,000 per year to qualify for an average home in B.C. That’s if they could even save up the down payment, as a recent study found that it would take 22 years to save for a 20 percent down payment currently.
I am so sorry for reducing the emails and the letters and the phone calls that I receive from my constituents to statistics or an argument.
This last week I received an email from someone in my riding who is so desperate. They actually asked if I could help them access MAiD rather than live in poverty. That is where British Columbians are at.
What was the current NDP government’s answer to this crisis that they’ve created? Budget 2023 predicts housing starts to fall over the next three years, which actually means things are going to get worse, not better. The NDP promise of 114,000 homes disappeared completely, with not even a mention in the budget. Still keeping the 13 new taxes and fees that they’ve brought in to skyrocket the costs of housing.
Oh, remember that $400 renters rebate that was promised to British Columbians in two consecutive elections but never delivered? Now it’s a renter’s tax credit. Well, that’s the same as $1 a day for a renter making less than $40,000, while rents have skyrocketed by thousands of dollars per year for every single renter across this province. Sadly, this credit isn’t going to even help.
According to the recent report from CMHC, rents in Kelowna have risen to the fourth-highest in Canada, behind only Toronto, Vancouver and Victoria. Kelowna has a supply problem, with a vacancy rate of just under 1 percent. This new and shiny tax credit won’t even cover half of the increase of rent for one month.
It’s no wonder that we have people sleeping in their cars. It’s no wonder that seniors in Kelowna worry that they might lose their housing and be pushed out into the streets. It’s no wonder that I have constituents begging for MAiD rather than trying to make ends meet. This budget didn’t have hope for any of them.
Let’s talk about those streets in Kelowna, which they would end up on without housing. Well, they aren’t safe anymore. Kelowna RCMP recently presented their annual report to Kelowna city council. In 2021, metro Kelowna reported a crime rate, per 100,000, of 11,112. The national rate was 5,375 per 100,000. Kelowna RCMP isn’t expecting that rate to decline when the new Stats Canada report is released this summer.
In addition to having the highest crime rate among Canadian metropolitan centres, Kelowna had the second-highest crime severity index in the nation. Break and enters, both business and residential, jumped a combined 17 percent, mostly driven by business break-ins, which rose more than 26 percent.
Who is committing all of these break-ins? Well, the report from the Kelowna RCMP says 28 prolific offenders on release were responsible for 483 property offences. The key words are “prolific offenders on release.” Why are these prolific offenders on release? Why, it’s the Premier’s own catch-and-release system that puts these repeat prolific offenders back into our community.
The Kelowna RCMP year in review showed that 20 individuals were responsible for more than 3,575 property crimes between 2020 and 2022. The RCMP told Kelowna city council it works out to 60 service calls per person per year. “It means our officers, on average, are arresting all 20 top repeat offenders more than once a week every week for the last two years.”
The prolific offenders right to reoffend is more important than the rights of Kelowna residents and business owners to feel safe. That’s where we are in Kelowna and in B.C. after six years of the NDP government. Many of these prolific offenders and many of those on our streets have underlying mental health issues in addition to hard drugs. What was in the budget to address this problem and the horror that our toxic drug public health crisis is creating?
We gave the NDP great ideas — ideas the Premier actually publicly agreed with. The Leader of the Opposition announced a Better is Possible plan, which would resource mental health care and supports, more residential care, more treatment beds, more complex care and wraparound services. As someone who has long advocated for wraparound supports, I know that this system of care is long overdue.
Wraparound supports are crucial for individuals with mental health challenges, as they provide comprehensive care and services that address their unique needs. This includes access to health care, psychiatry, counselling, occupational and physical therapy, rehabilitation, housing, employment and education, among other things.
Steal the plan. Take it. Use it, because it would only make things better. But instead, Budget ’23 contained band-aids and was in no way a bold, comprehensive plan that would deliver results and outcomes for those suffering with an addiction.
Our Kelowna RCMP had 2,897 calls for service with mental health components, 613 with Mental Health Act apprehensions and 34 calls for service for overdose. Our fire hall in downtown Kelowna has had over 4,500 mental health–related calls. They used to go on a two-year rotation but have had to switch to a one-year rotation, because they are burning out our firefighter responders.
By the numbers, there are 160 beds of complex care today. This government has announced some of these in Kelowna three times, giving us 20 beds announced. Of those 20, only eight are actually activated and funded, but only three are actually open. So out of 160, Kelowna received three, when Kelowna actually helped to pay for the white paper, spearheaded with health authorities and with government agencies, that said that Kelowna requires over 300 beds. So, what? Over the next year, maybe, I should, out of the 190 that’s proposed, expect three more? Six total? Eight total, maybe?
The minister spoke of expanding the Red Fish Healing Centre. There’s nothing in the capital plan for Red Fish expansion. There’s nothing in the capital plan for the 300 beds that Kelowna needs. There is no capital for complex care.
Last year in estimates, I canvassed the Housing Minister, now Premier, for over an hour on where the capital was supposed to come from for communities who desperately needed complex care. There is no capital.
What is getting funded right now out of this funding that is available? More drugs. The government is spending $184 million over three years on the public supply of addictive drugs. Nearly $100 million more than their prolific offender programs, which totalled $87 million. So not on reducing the month-long waiting lists before a person can actually get treatment. No immediate change to eliminate fees for treatment, which was and is a cornerstone for our Better is Possible plan, just more drugs and decriminalization.
In 2022, nearly 2,300 people lost their lives in B.C. That’s 87 in Kelowna alone, eight on one weekend.
Clearly, what the B.C. NDP government is doing is not working. The recent decriminalization of drugs without treatment is going to be disastrous. Look no further than to Oregon to see how that’s played out. After decriminalization, their overdose deaths have risen, not lowered. The overdose deaths doubled in the first year of Oregon’s decriminalization.
In my travels to Portugal to investigate the Portugal model of care known as SICAD and meet with Dr. João Goulão, who is the architect of the system…. I went to understand more fully how their success is happening in their treatment and rehabilitation and care for the mentally ill and how it was all achieved. In fairness, Portugal’s SICAD model actually includes decriminalization and safe supply. It’s just not the focus, and it didn’t come before treatment beds were available.
In 2018, SICAD’s Dr. Goulão spoke with the Vancouver Sun about the importance of treating drug use as a public health issue. He noted that decriminalization is not enough and that comprehensive care and support must be in place to help individuals overcome their challenges and live healthy, productive lives.
British Columbians deserve hope. They deserve wholeness. They deserve a program that takes those that are experiencing homelessness and gives them community.
So what about health in Budget ’23? British Columbians deserve the best universal health care. Our health care system is imploding, and not because of the heroic efforts of all of our front-line workers, but because this government has allowed the health authorities and bureaucracies to eat up health care dollars that should be going to produce better outcomes for British Columbians and instead are going to pay for what can only be described as bureaucratic bloat.
One example of this: 64 vice-presidents in B.C.’s health authorities, earning more than $400,000 a year. Health authority admin costs are up by $1.3 billion, double the level it was in 2017 — double. Same old NDP. We’ve seen this before.
When we’ve asked about these increases and ridiculous costs, the Health Minister rattled off a series of useless stats about how much money they’ve thrown at our health care system. But guess what he doesn’t talk about: outcomes, because they’ve never been worse. Wait times for cancer treatment? Worst. I have constituents waiting for life-saving surgeries for months. Cancer is winning.
How about emergency room lines? Worst. Wait times to see a specialist? Worst. Lineups outside walk-in clinics? Worst. Lineups outside urgent and primary care centres this government seems so proud of? Worst. Access to life-saving antibiotics? Worst.
Oh, wait. They’re building a new hospital in Cowichan. But it’s also $850 million over budget, almost $1 billion. That’s where we’re at after six years of this NDP government.
British Columbians want to get back to work, to build, grow and afford a life, to get ahead, to make ends meet. What’s in the budget to help small and medium businesses? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Not even talk of growing our economy, supporting businesses to innovate, attract and retain new employees. No. There’s nothing.
While this government is predicting a recessionary decrease in our GDP, they’re predicting our businesses are going to continue to increase wages and pay higher employment health tax. But this EHT has ballooned by over $500 million to $2.7 billion per year without any relief to businesses, such as even lifting the $500,000 threshold for small business payrolls.
How could B.C. increase revenues? Well, this government is saying that they’re bullish on LNG. It’s actually the only saving grace of their entire budget, and they predicted better than their economic forecasters because of these revenues. But the rest of natural resource revenue — that’s all dropping by 33 percent. Instead of cutting the red tape and getting the backlog cleared, well, the NDP had an epiphany.
They’re going to hire another 160 government employees to — get this — try to reduce natural resources permits backlogs. Or is it housing permits, or wait, environmental permits, or wait…? Let’s just put them all in one paragraph, and they’ll all read the same. Only an NDP government would think that adding more bureaucrats would actually make things move faster. Truly unbelievable.
The NDP government has ignored rural British Columbians and the natural resource sector, which actually generates the majority of wealth for our province. Oh, but the carbon tax is due to rise $65 a tonne. A news flash. This is going to make everything more expensive. Is it revenue neutral, like it was under a B.C. Liberal government? Nope. The NDP just pour it into their general revenue. Just a tax grab.
What about the B.C. climate action tax credit? Well, they’re going to give about $400 million to people, but it’s not going to be equally distributed. It’s a regressive tax. Those living close to transit in urban centres still get the tax credit even though they don’t actually pay it. But in rural B.C., without access to public transit or other alternatives? Well, they get to pay more and get less.
Where does this end up? In $3.3 billion to service our debt.
My constituents care about the economy and about driving an actual plan for recovery.
My constituents care about mental health and getting treatment facilities for those that need them.
My constituents care about health and getting critical surgeries and cancer treatments done while planning for the future.
My constituents care about having a family physician and about having affordable and accessible child care.
My constituents care about the environment and not choking with smoke from fires or having emissions steadily climb, despite doing their part.
My constituents care about the cost of living and inflation and having a responsible government.
My constituents care about the cost of housing and are trying to make ends meet.
My constituents desperately want and need hope. Rather than join the conversation, we have nothing more than lip service.
Deputy Speaker: Recognizing the member for Saanich North and the Islands.
A. Olsen: Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you for this opportunity to respond to Budget 2023. I will just suggest that my response to this budget will be somewhat different than what we’ve been hearing in the debate so far.
I think it’s interesting to listen as the different perspectives here are being articulated. It’s interesting listening to the analogies that are being used with respect to airplanes and clearcutting and sustainability. It’s, frankly, interesting to hear, from my colleagues the B.C. Liberals about sustainability when, in fact, what has been happening, from an ecological and environmental perspective, is anything but.
I think it’s important that there is consistency. If we’re wanting to achieve fiscal sustainability or economic sustainability, we need to have that actually be a guiding principle throughout our policies for the environment as well.
It’s interesting to hear the use of the word “clearcutting” when, in fact, that’s exactly what has been happening on our landscape. We hear the Premier talking about the fact that our forests are exhausted.
There’s only one reason why the forest lands in a province that has been so blessed with natural resources like the forests that we have — the coastal Douglas fir, the western red cedar and the hemlock…. It is because of our voracious appetite to clearcut them and the reality that, for decades, we’ve not been replacing them with forests. We’ve been replacing them with tree farms — not monoculture, for sure, but certainly not biodiverse, rich ecosystems that reflect anything like the forest that was cut before.
We wonder why our streams are super heated and our relatives, the SĆÁÁNEW̱, the salmon, cannot survive in them anymore. It’s because we’ve basically pulverized them. We’ve removed all of the cover, super heating those creeks and streams and making them hostile environments to salmon.
Indeed, just outside this chamber is the rotunda. In that rotunda, there are four paintings, and the four paintings highlight the foundation of the economy of this province: agriculture, mining, forestry and fisheries. Fisheries were exhausted two decades ago, three decades ago in this province. You could see the streams of salmon in the Salish Sea. That’s how thick they were at one point in the history of this province — reduced to a mere trickle in our creeks and streams up and down the coast.
The forest lands of this province, the old growth, the massive timber, the kinds of trees that we see the slice of outside the Douglas Fir Room that are 1,000 years old — those trees have been clearcut off the face of our province, off the landscape.
Indeed, I think that if we’re going to be coming in here and using analogies and wanting to, I guess, bring to life the perspectives that we have about Budget 2023, and we want to use that language, it’s important that it’s consistent, not just in how we view our budget. It’s how we view our relationship to the land and the land base.
For the Indigenous people, the people that I’m proud to descend from, the economy and the relationship to nature were one and the same. We didn’t have the benefit of borrowing. There was no such thing. You only had what was in front of you. You only had what returned that year. There was no way to bank the extra, or not very easily, anyways. There was only what nature provided you.
So the inheritance that we received from those who carried the names that we had before us was the locations in which you could harvest, the locations in which you could extract. You relied on your ancestors to be good stewards of those places, and you were also connected in a way to the future that this place is not connected. This is where I resonate with some of the comments that are being made on both sides of this House. We have not been good stewards of this place historically.
When you look at Budget 2023, and when you look at the kinds of investments that are being debated in the other Houses now, in the supplemental budgets, the question has to be: are we spending this money as good stewards for future generations?
Seven-generations thinking is the connection that you have to the three generations behind you and the connection that you have to the three generations ahead of you. It is a responsibility to live and be in a place, not just now, but a recognition that you have a responsibility to the future generations that are going to come after you. Just as we hold up our ancestors, just as we hold up the people that we came from, the relationship that they had to the land, we need to also remain connected to the people who are going to come after us, to the future generations.
I hear elements of that debate playing out in here over Budget 2023, and I’ve heard it in ’22, ’21, ’20, ’19, ’18 and ’17, the first budget that I was here. I had the opportunity to be here a few budgets before that, when the former government was here, and the decisions that they made about how they were going to invest the wealth that we have been extracting from the landscape at unsustainable rates. We continue in that way, unsustainable extraction of resources, to the point where, actually…. We’re getting to a situation where two of the four paintings in the rotunda.… We may, at LAMC, may need to consider replacing them.
Those industries that we relied on as a province, the extractive industries and the economic development…. Indeed, those industries Indigenous people participated in before the first Europeans arrived — engaged in forestry, engaged in fisheries. But they were doing it in a truly sustainable way.
I take a look at Budget 2023 and the opportunity that was presented to take a look at the supplemental budgets, items and estimates that are happening in other rooms — billions of dollars. I was mentioning to a couple of my colleagues when we were at the Pacific Salmon Foundation and the First Nations Fisheries Council meeting the other night that a few years ago, we stood with the federal minister, the former Premier, the member for Langford–Juan de Fuca and myself down at Fisherman’s Wharf and celebrated the $140-something million BCSRIF announcement.
At that point, this was a massive amount of money that was being brought into the province. I think it was $143 million. It was going to be allocated around the province to do good work on watersheds, upgrading weirs and science and innovation when it came to protecting and standing up for the wild Pacific salmon, that iconic species, our provincial fish. And $140 million seemed like an impossibly large amount of money.
Just yesterday I was in the budget estimates for the $1 billion that was being distributed amongst municipal governments. I was putting it into context. The numbers….
I mean, I think even when COVID first was set upon us, and we were in here for that special day where just a handful of us had come to this Legislature to give the government some space, $5 billion was set aside in order for the government to deal with this global pandemic. It was a huge amount of money that was extended to the government in advance of the budget, because we didn’t know what was going to happen. Now, here we are talking about $1.45 billion, in fact, for the budget estimates — a windfall.
I should say, in my opinion, something that local governments have been asking for, for more than a decade, is fiscal reform. Not a one-time cash handout. Although, evidenced by all of the pictures that have been taken and posted by government MLAs, there is not a mayor or a counsellor in this province that is going to turn that money away. Because those of us who come from local government know that the fiscal framework that we’ve been operating under has been failing local governments for decades.
The conditional granting systems where this House sets political priorities — frankly, that’s what they boil down to — and then forced communities to then apply for those moneys, even though they might not be the local priorities…. Now, this fund…. It’s a one-time fund. Governments have the opportunity to spend it over five years. For the first time, it’s unfettered from a provincial priority.
But this is not the solution. This is not what the Union of B.C. Municipalities and municipal governments have been asking for. They’ve been asking for sustainable, reliable fiscal reform to give them the ability to generate revenues and to pay for the things that their local priority-setting has suggested are the needs of the communities that they have been elected to represent. My hope is that that money gets spent on those priorities that currently were ineligible for the conditional granting programs.
I raised an issue yesterday in question period around a fire hall on Salt Spring, for example. We have set the priorities. We’ve set the policy. We’ve set the regulations. We’ve set the rules that make sense for this house. But that doesn’t mean that they make any sense out there. That just means that we get to grant money when we find some in the couch cushions, and then get the benefit of the photo ops that come with it.
The fire halls where those first responders go and show up to when the call comes in…. In some communities, those fire halls, well, they’re not eligible. I remember when I was in Central Saanich and we were building a fire hall. The B.C. Liberal government of the day — the priority for them was parks. I said, “Well, could we apply for parks, and then take it and put it in the fire hall,” which was the priority of the community at the time. It didn’t mean that parks were not an interest for our government, but it just meant that it was a lesser priority at that time than the fire hall that was absolutely needed. The Fire Underwriters Survey said you need a fire hall. Well, we were on our own.
I’m thankful that the communities in my riding are going to be able to get some of this money from this one-time fund. But I certainly hope that at the end of the distribution of this money that’s now been approved, the provincial government doesn’t feel empowered and emboldened to say: “Well, remember the money that we gave you. Don’t forget the cash that we extended you when we found the money in the couch cushions.” Because the job of fiscal reform is not done for local governments.
As we heard the other day when I asked the question, the process between the UBCM and municipal affairs is still underway. That is a process that started in 2010-2011 with a report to the UBCM. We’ve been talking about it for 12 years, so forgive me if I’m not encouraged that the pace of this fiscal reform is speedy enough for local governments to actually be able to have that sustainable, reliable source of revenue year over year, that then they can make good plans and inform good plans.
I looked at Budget 2023 as an opportunity for a new Premier. Somebody who certainly has been in this place, this chamber, since 2017 and before that, but since 2017 as the Attorney General. Someone who has been very attentive to where we are at in this province. Indeed, I think when the Premier was the Attorney General — I kind of joked with him a little bit in the hallway today — he was here every day, almost, in those sessions debating numbers and numbers of bills.
There is no doubt that our Premier is well aware of the situation that we face sitting around the cabinet table for the last six years. It was a hope that I and my colleague had that he would use this opportunity to create a legacy. With just a few short years left until the next election, that the Premier would take the surplus that they had found and the budget for Budget 2023 and create a legacy, be transformative, be a little bit more like Dave Barrett than the Premier’s predecessor was, do some big things in the final months remaining before the next provincial election.
But unfortunately, what we saw is not a transformative budget. It is more like a fiscal update for 2022. Rather than making systemic change, it’s using tax rebates. It’s using tax credits and rebates — short-term thinking, short-term fixes. But they’re not even really fixes. They’re a way for people to feel like the government is doing something, but the government actually hasn’t changed the underlying problems with the systems that are broken and that are not serving British Columbians well.
I think one of the examples of this is the situation when it comes to an increase for people on disability payments, support payments. Yes, the government has increased the shelter rates. Yes, the people who receive the 140-something dollars when it comes to the increase in shelter will be happy for the $140. Nobody is going to say that they are not going to accept that when they are in a situation that they’re in and every dollar counts.
When they are living…. When people on disability and people on social supports are receiving $10,000 less than the poverty line in our province, what the government is offering in this budget is thousands of dollars a month short of what’s needed for people to live in a dignified way, being able to meet the basic poverty line in this province. They have failed to deliver what’s needed. Yes, they’ve given something.
[S. Chandra Herbert in the chair.]
Here we are today in another part of this Legislative Assembly, right now as I speak, talking about the nominal increase in budget for Social Development and Poverty Reduction, rather than talking about how the government has used the surplus that they have found at the end of this year to increase those payments and to support people who rely on those payments day after day, month after month, year after year. That’s not being offered to them.
There was an opportunity, with this budget, for the new Premier to be transformative. I think that this budget, from our view of it, has fallen short of that.
When I take a look at another example of where the government is using short-term thinking instead of long-term thinking, I think of another issue that I’ve raised in the last couple of weeks here: the Island Coastal Economic Trust.
The proposal that has been put in front of this government, back in September of last year, was to turn a sinking fund into a permanent fund, to place, yes, a large sum of money, but to protect it in a permanent fund and then allow the Island and coastal communities, the communities on Vancouver Island and the Sunshine Coast, to be able to draw from the profits that are made from the investment every year and disburse it.
Between $7 million and $12 million every year could have been disbursed to those communities, again on their priorities. Instead, with that fund, the people who are operating that fund have no idea as to whether or not they’re going to be required to shut down this year, because they run out of money, or whether or not they’re going to be supported in the short term, or what their long-term viability looks like.
This is just a missed opportunity, one that frankly shocks me. Other than my colleague from Cowichan Valley, all of the other communities that are within this trust area are members from the government side of the House. How it is that this was too complex an investment, yet we see all of these other investments that are being made, scrambled out to the end of this year…. It seems to me like a complete and total missed opportunity.
We could have taken some of the surplus. We could have even actually increased…. They asked for $150 million. The provincial government had the opportunity to increase that amount.
We see the kinds of sums of money that are being invested in certain areas and priorities for this provincial government. I think that so far, anyway — I’m going to remain hopeful — the message to the people that live on Vancouver Island and in those coastal communities is that they are not a priority for this government.
Otherwise, we would have seen that fund recapitalized. We would have seen those projects, which have been so important, funded on an annual basis. We would have seen an opportunity for other community members to also invest in that fund and grow it, making it a more impactful and a more powerful community economic development tool.
Unfortunately, they or those communities or the leaders…. I’m not sure what it is — not the priority for this B.C. NDP provincial government. Yet I do remain hopeful that if there is not a long-term solution, there is at least a short-term solution so that, then, the communities that are benefiting from these funds will be able to continue to invest in their local priorities.
Just to comment, very briefly before I take my seat, on some of the narratives that have emerged here, to suggest that this current government is all to fault for the situation that they find themselves in and that the previous government was all to fault for the situation that they left for this government…. I think I just want to suggest that these are false narratives.
We are in the situation that we’re in today because of decades of neo-liberal economic philosophy. This is the result of at least 30 or 35 years — a product of 35 years of decision-making, of deregulation; of allowing our forests, as I started this speech with, to be clearcut. Then for us to be able to frame it as some kind of sustainable, environmental practice, clearcutting, replacing it with a couple of species and then tagging timber value as the only value that matters….
I mean, indeed, the exercise of chasing wolves around the southeast of British Columbia in order to not damage the last remaining caribou is an example of this in the extreme, the reality that we have been harvesting the food source of the caribou to near extinction. It should be no surprise to us that also, then, the caribou are at near extinction. The fact that we’ve been cutting superhighways for wolves across the southeast yet now they’re a problem should be of no surprise.
This is the result of how humans are altering the landscape and of how that economic philosophy that has driven the decisions by multiple governments. It’s not just this government; not just the government for 16 years; not just the government for ten or 11 before that — the government that had three Premiers in ten years; not the government of the decade before that; nor the government with one Premier for multiple decades before that. It is the result of all of those successive governments operating and developing budgets and policies around nature that are unsustainable.
I’m going to end with this. Of all of the criticism that I have with this budget, it was deeply encouraging to be able to stand in a supplemental budget estimates debate yesterday and talk about a $100-million fund that’s going to be created, a permanent fund that is going to be created that can start us on the process for a restoration economy in this province.
Maybe, just maybe, we don’t need to change the paintings on the rotunda, the paintings of the forests and the paintings of the fish if, indeed, we can encourage people to invest in that fund alongside this government. If indeed, we can get Budget 2023 and Budget 2024 and ’25 and ’26 to grow that fund, maybe we won’t have to abandon some forestry extraction and some fish extraction, because we’ll have begun the process of restoring the damage that we’ve done to the landscape in this province.
Maybe we don’t have to throw our hands in the air and say: “Forestry is over; the forests are exhausted. Find something else to do.” We have got ourselves dangerously close to that situation in this province right now.
When I take a look at the $100 million, I was proudly able to stand and say, “I can support this investment, and I can stand up and encourage people to join in, in the investment in this,” because $10,000, $20,000, $1 million at a time, we can encourage the people who live on the land, who benefit from the land, who have the philosophy, which my ancestors left to me, to say, “We belong to the land,” to begin restoring and investing in those sacred places that have been destroyed in the past.
It’s going to take us to have a different conversation in this place. It’s going to take us to have a different frame around the way we view our budgets and the debate that we have, on both sides of this place that, frankly, isn’t all that productive.
With that, Mr. Speaker, I look forward to engaging the ministers, in the time that we’ve been able to work out with our colleagues in the official opposition, to ask however many questions we get in those budget estimates, to learn more about how the ministers are going to be expending the resources that they have been allocated in Budget 2023.
I look forward to that process — I do every year — to better understand what the underlying philosophy is, about how they’re going to move forward. I’m grateful for this opportunity to say a few comments about Budget 2023. With that, I’ll take my seat.
HÍSW̱ḴE SIÁM.
Hon. B. Ma: Hon. Speaker, it is my honour to be able to rise in this House to take my place in speaking to Budget 2023.
Before I do so, I want to acknowledge a few of the people without whom I could not be here today. Certainly, I’m referring to some of the staff in my office — Melanie Sanderson, my chief of staff; Nina Karimi, who is my ministerial adviser and who, unfortunately, has just left us to join the Ministry of Housing. So I’m very envious of the Minister of Housing on that.
We have Mack McCorkindale, who is my executive assistant. We have Andrew Barrett, who has just joined us today; as well as Arjin Toor, who will be joining us shortly; and my administrative staff, Arianna Klus and Jasmine Liu.
I also want to note my two amazing constituency assistants, holding down the fort in North Vancouver–Lonsdale so that I can be here in Victoria and do the work of being Minister of Emergency Management and Climate Readiness and also be able to speak in this House. That’s Josh Saville and Michelle in North Vancouver.
They have really taken on an enormous load in my absence. It used to be that I was able to spend a lot more time in my community. Now I’m mostly in Victoria doing ministry work, and they’ve really helped to fill the gap. I’m truly, truly grateful for their efforts.
Of course, where would I be without my family? I won’t name them all, but I’m very, very grateful to all of them. I also want to note happy International Women’s Day, hon. Speaker, and to all of the people in this House.
We’re speaking over to the budget, so I’m happy to speak to the wonderful investments that we’ve made in child care, investing in supporting women fleeing violence, and free birth control for everyone who needs it, as of April 1 throughout the province. That’s in the budget too.
In doing so, I also want to acknowledge all of the incredible women that I get to work with here in these chambers. I’m referring to women on both sides of the House. We’re very fortunate, here on the government side, to be the first government caucus in Canadian history to have more women than men. That’s right; it’s very wonderful, but also there are strong women leaders in the official opposition caucus and the Third Party caucus as well. I’m very grateful to have their voices here.
When it comes to Budget 2023, we’re taking action on the issues that matter to people. And when I refer to “people,” I also mean their communities and the issues that they care about — the environment, climate change, and so forth. We, over the last several years, have invested in people.
British Columbians have been through a lot. We’ve had the pandemic, and then we also had atmospheric river events. We’ve had the heat domes. We’ve had some incredibly destructive wildfire seasons, droughts, the opioid crisis. Through all of this, what our government made a very deliberate decision to do was to invest in people.
During the pandemic, when the economy wasn’t doing very well here or elsewhere in the world, whereas other jurisdictions pulled back on public spending to account for the loss of revenue, we charged forward in supporting people when times were tough. We did so on the basis of the idea that when we’re recovering from the pandemic, it is really, truly, our people who will be what helps us through that.
When it comes to economic recovery, it really comes down to the people of British Columbia that will help us rise out of really challenging times. And you know what? Those decisions to invest in people have really paid dividends. As a result, the economy bounced back more quickly than we had originally forecasted, and the revenues that British Columbia as a government were expecting were also substantially greater than we had originally forecasted, resulting in a very substantial surplus.
Looking forward into the future, we recognize that the economic outlook of the years ahead is unlikely to be as rosy as it was over the last year, largely because of a global economic slowdown. We’re seeing the impacts through inflation and otherwise, so we’re now making the decision to use that money today to help people while we have that surplus. Recognizing that it is absolutely important to put some of it towards paying down the debt, we also want to make sure that while we have the surplus, we’re able to invest in some of the deficits in investment that we’ve seen.
I’m not referring to any particular government here, but over long periods of time, we know that communities across the board have an infrastructure deficit that is very, very difficult for those communities on their own to fill. That’s why we were so pleased to be able to provide a $1 billion contribution to communities, municipalities and regional districts across the province.
I know that out in the North Shore, where I live, across the three ridings — North Vancouver–Lonsdale, North Vancouver–Seymour and West Vancouver–Capilano — our communities are receiving nearly $30 million from this $1 billion growing communities fund. I have spoken with the mayors of those municipalities, and they’re incredibly excited for the money, because all three municipalities have lists of infrastructure projects that they want to be able to accomplish, but they need a bit of revenue help to do so.
That money is going to be put to very good use. I won’t speak on the municipalities’ behalf as to where the money will go right now, but I know that we have excellent leadership across all three municipalities that will be making good decisions about where best to invest those dollars.
Speaking to the year-end funding surplus, where that’s going as well, I was really pleased to see the initial $500 million investment in our rental housing protection fund. Through my Ministry of Emergency Management and Climate Readiness, we were able to put $180 million towards the community emergency preparedness fund, which tops it up. It almost doubles it.
Previously there was about $189 million that was invested in the community emergency preparedness fund. We’re able to add another $180 million this year, which I think was a very important investment, because based on the applications that we were seeing and the rate of funding that we were approving, we would have likely seen that fund dry up this summer otherwise.
But the amount of money that we’re putting in now is expected to be disbursed over the next two years, which is actually, from a dollar-per-annual basis, a far larger and more intense injection of funds, into very, very important mitigation projects that communities are leading throughout the province.
These kinds of projects run from everything from diking upgrades to plans for vertical escape infrastructure. That is especially important in areas with…. I know the word. It’s just stuck in my head.
Interjection.
Hon. B. Ma: Tsunamis, thank you. Yes, earthquake-caused waves. Tsunamis. Yes, that’s embarrassing. I swear I do know the word. It just sometimes get stuck in the back of my head.
We also have communities that are doing incredibly important work in upgrading the personal protective equipment for their volunteer and composite fire departments. We have communities doing incredibly important work in terms of evacuation route planning. So that’s what that funding will also be able to support, especially in more rural communities that rely on forest service roads to get their families and people out of danger during an emergency.
Sometimes those forest service roads can be a little bit confusing to navigate. Helping to plan those evacuation routes and put up proper signage and make sure that all community members understand what the evacuation route is, is very important. But it does require a bit of money, especially in smaller communities. Those local governments won’t necessarily have those funds to put towards this work. So we’re enabling them to do this work through the funding put towards the CPF.
Speaking more…. I’ve already been speaking for ten minutes. I just have to comment that when I first became an elected official back in 2017, I found it very difficult to speak for long periods of time. I came from engineering. We were taught to be very succinct and provide very short answers. Now that I’ve been a politician for almost six years, I feel like I can talk for a long, long time about anything to nobody. I guess that’s a skill that I have developed over time. Very grateful to everyone in this House for giving me the opportunity to develop that skill.
That being said, I am incredibly grateful, also, for the opportunity to speak to the budget, because it is incredibly important. Aside from the surplus and where we’re putting that….
Actually, I just want to give a shout-out to a couple more big surplus items, one of which is the $100 million watershed recovery fund. The Parliamentary Secretary for Watershed Restoration and MLA for Coquitlam–Burke Mountain has been doing such incredible work on the issue of watershed recovery and its relationship with salmon and that relationship with our entire natural ecosystem and its relationship to us as people. It’s really drawing those connections, not only at the provincial level but the federal level as well.
I just want to express my deep gratitude for the stalwart stewardship of that work that the member for Coquitlam–Burke Mountain has committed himself to over the last many, many years.
The other investment that I would like to give a shout-out to is the $200 million in agriculture and food security. That is an incredible investment. It’s hard to put words on how important our food security is, especially in the context of climate change.
Going over to climate change. The entire reason why my ministry was created by the Premier on December 7…. We’re just past three months old as a ministry, but it was really created in recognition of the growing impacts of extreme weather events as a result of climate change. We know that in the years ahead, we are going to be seeing an increased frequency, scale, scope, duration of extreme weather events like storms, like flooding, like droughts, heat domes, extreme cold events and wildfires.
We also have earthquake risks. But that one is one natural hazard that is not related to climate change. I’m grateful for that, but they are already devastating enough as they are. In B.C. Budget 2023, we’re building on the work that my ministry had already done before they were a full ministry, back when they were known as emergency management British Columbia under Public Safety and Solicitor General. EMBC, before they became their own ministry, was already starting to think about how we get ahead of these disasters before they happen.
The organization was really created much more as a response entity, especially given the extraordinary impacts of the natural disasters that we’ve seen in recent years. They’ve also assumed a significant recovery role. In addition to all of that, we know that when dealing with emergencies and managing emergencies, it can’t just be about response and recovery. We have to do what it takes to mitigate the impacts of those emergencies before they happen. We have to be prepared for them as well.
Those are the four pillars of emergency management: preparedness, mitigation, response and recovery.
This year’s budget includes $567 million in operating and capital funding, over three years, for work relating to climate resiliency, including funding to support active transportation, CleanBC initiatives and emergency management programs like those being developed and expanded through my ministry. It really speaks to the importance of not only being ready for emergencies when they happen but also doing our part to drive down the greenhouse gas emissions that are driving climate change as well.
This funding will help build capacity across British Columbia to support disaster risk assessment, preparedness and mitigation. It allows us to work collaboratively with local governments and First Nations to make communities more resilient and safer in the event of an emergency.
Budget 2023 is a first for our new ministry. It really demonstrates our government’s commitment to increasing support for climate readiness and all aspects of emergency management.
It also includes an additional $85 million to the Ministry of Emergency Management and Climate Readiness’ base budget to increase emergency management capacity within government across the province, to provide new investments in disaster risk assessment, preparedness and mitigation and, also, to have the foundational capacity to do work when there isn’t an active disaster going on but to prepare for the next disaster.
I’m just looking at my note here. It notes that previously committed, in the previous budget, we are also providing $750 million in operating funding, over the next two years, for ongoing disaster response and recovery activities like debris removal, cleanup, disaster financial assistance. There are so many communities that have been impacted by extreme weather events which are relying on us to support them.
I will say…. What we’ve seen over the last several years is British Columbians are enormously resilient, especially when they come together. We can really overcome so many incredible challenges when communities work with other communities, when local governments work with First Nations, when provincial governments work with local governments and First Nations and the federal government. We really can do what it takes to get through an emergency.
Again, there’s a lot of work that we need to do to ensure that we’re not just working on the fly but that we’re actually really well prepared and, in fact, mitigating the impacts of disasters before they happen.
I’d also like to note that we are putting money back in people’s pockets in this budget. There have been cost-of-living supports that have already been rolled out, like the B.C. affordability credit that came out last October, this January and coming up in April.
There have been higher B.C. family benefit amounts for January, February and March, a $100 credit for people’s power bills, rebates for drivers from ICBC, an enhanced school affordability fund to help parents and kids with back-to-school costs. That one was, I think, really important. I’m grateful to the Minister of Education and the previous Minister of Education, as well, in support of that work.
Of course, we’ve been able to make enormously important progress on our ChildCareBC program. I see the former Minister of State for Child Care and am so incredibly grateful for her work over the last many, many years. I know that she has made a very difficult and important decision to focus on…. I mean, this work is really challenging for members of the House and their families in particular, and I know that we have had….
Members make difficult and important choices to prioritize the loved ones in their lives. I just want to acknowledge that while also saying, for a moment, how much I miss having the member for Burnaby-Lougheed in the House. Oh gosh, I’m going to make myself cry. She’s been just…. I made her cry now too. She’s just been an enormously important friend, and I’m so incredibly proud of everything that she has overcome to do the work that she has in this House.
The ChildCareBC program that she has put together over the last few years is literally helping tens of thousands of families and will continue to help tens of thousands of families into the future. I know that we still have more work to do. I know that there is still a lot of work for government to do to deliver what we truly envisioned from our ChildCareBC program — true universality, true access and high-quality care at an affordable price for every family that needs it.
We have more work to do, but I just want to acknowledge that the member for Burnaby-Lougheed has really, really brought us a long, long way and set us on a good path for that. I’m going to have to avoid talking about child care now, in the future, I think, or this is going to happen every time.
Seeing the time, I’m just going to walk through the rest of the high-level pieces, before I break down further here, in Budget 2023 that I know are important for families across the province and also incredibly important to the families in my community as well.
Housing affordability and cost-of-living challenges are really top of mind for people across the province. So I’m incredibly grateful for the $4.2 billion investment in housing that is a part of Budget 2023, the biggest three-year investment in B.C. history.
We already have many projects underway in my community of North Vancouver–Lonsdale, projects that are led by our land-owning partners — the city and the First Nations and not-for-profits who are putting up land to help with the affordability of the units in these projects. We’re providing financial investment into it as well. Very grateful for that work and looking forward for more to come to North Vancouver.
There’s a $6.4 billion investment in health care. I think that you’ll be able to find very few people in British Columbia who will disagree that health care is an enormously important service provided by provinces to their communities. We’ve done a lot to improve access and services to health care, but the system is certainly facing challenges. I’m hopeful that this investment is incredibly important to helping us address….
A historic $1 billion investment into mental health and addictions care. Given the amount, given the sheer number of tragic deaths that we see as a result of the opioid crisis every single day, it cannot be overstated, or understated. I think that phrase is sometimes used in both directions. But it is enormously important that we invest in mental health and addiction services, and this $1 billion investment is just so critical.
Of course, $4.5 billion to help people with costs. So $3 billion in new tax credits, like the B.C. family benefit increases, increases to the climate action tax credit and a new income-tested renter’s tax credit. Some investments in public safety and improving access to justice, $462 million for that, and $480 million in a Future Ready plan to address the labour shortage.
I mean, British Columbia is growing so fast, and our economy is doing very well. As a result, we’re also seeing that there are way more jobs than can be filled by the number of people that we have, or rather that the…. Anyway, yes. We’ll leave it at that.
We’re challenged on finding people to fill jobs all over the province, so half a billion dollars towards resolving that challenge: very important. And $1.4 billion investments for climate and the environment.
Going back to my earlier comment about being able to talk for a long, long time on things now, longer than I anticipated. I’ve now been talking for almost 25 minutes. I only got through, like, the first three pages of the notes that I was going to speak about, so maybe I will cut myself off there. Otherwise, I’ll go way over time and take up all the time allotted for other members of the House to speak to the budget.
With that, thank you again for granting me this opportunity to speak to this budget. I am clearly in very strong support of it, hoping that we will see good support for this budget across all parties throughout the House.
T. Stone: I am privileged to rise in the House today to offer some of my comments and observations in reply to Budget 2023. I do so proudly serving the people of Kamloops–South Thompson. It’s very hard to believe some days that this coming May, I will have served in this Legislature for ten years, and I look back at my time in government, my time in opposition, and I wouldn’t trade it in for anything. It’s been an exceptional experience and lots more still to do in this place.
A budget is all about priorities. It’s all a reflection of government’s priorities. Again, I’ve served on both sides of this House, so I understand very well all of the work that goes into preparing a budget and putting into words in a budget, and then in numbers and all of the tables, the priorities that a government wants to focus on for the forthcoming fiscal year and, indeed, for a three-year fiscal plan.
I think it should be said again, and I know a number of my colleagues have said this already in their comments to Budget 2023, that it’s an important backdrop to the budget to remind people that this government has been in power for six years. This is a two-term government. It is often interesting, sometimes humorous, to hear the government describe situations and refer to the former government or the last government, when in fact, this group of people that currently form the government of British Columbia have been in power for two terms.
I think the best way to characterize the six years, two terms that this government has been in power is to characterize, when you look at it from an accomplishments perspective, a lot of lofty promises that have been made, a lot of lofty rhetoric that continues to be espoused but, frankly, terrible results, terrible outcomes for British Columbians by almost every single indicator.
We have the worst housing crisis in B.C.’s history. We have the highest rents in Canada.
We have the worst health care outcomes that this province has ever seen.
We have the worst mental health and addictions crisis. When we look at the overdose numbers and the trajectory of overdoses in this province over the six years this government has been in power, it has been getting worse and worse.
We have a cost-of-living crisis in British Columbia with life never being more unaffordable by virtually every indicator. I mentioned housing, the amount that it costs to put gas in your truck, the amount that it costs to put food on your table.
These cost-of-living pressures are forcing families, forcing British Columbians to make decisions, in many cases, about whether they can afford to pay their rent or afford to provide some fresh vegetables or some healthy meal options for their kids. The affordability crisis is impacting everyone. It impacts seniors in all kinds of ways. It impacts families.
Everyone is looking to save. Everyone, at many different income levels in this province, is looking for opportunities to save. Personally, I was thinking I should head off to Bed Bath and Beyond and find myself a toaster that’s on clearance.
Then I remembered that — as outlined by my good friend and colleague from Kamloops–North Thompson, as he characterized this NDP budget — all of us would be getting a free toaster. So I think I’ll spare myself that trip wandering through Bed Bath and Beyond looking for a toaster. In all seriousness, life is tough for people. It’s tough.
Violent offenders, prolific offenders committing vicious random assaults, again, are at levels that we have never seen in British Columbia, four random attacks every single day in Vancouver alone.
Results for people are what matter the most, not how loud your self-congratulation is, the pat on the back that you give yourself or how often you use the words “historic,” “record” or “unprecedented.” We hear those words from this government all the time. We hear in this chamber, in question period and in debates, ministers getting up, almost shifting into robot mode and talking about this parallel universe that does not reflect what British Columbians are actually experiencing.
It’s results for people that matter the most. It’s not how much money you spent. We have seen a massive increase in spending under this government. Now, as my colleague from Kamloops–North Thompson outlined in his response to the budget — he is our Finance critic and very capable at that — most of this increase in spending, which the NDP has presided over, has been for wage packages for existing public service employees, which is fair enough. Everyone deserves a good wage, a good family income, certainly, including public sector workers.
The issue is this. There has been this huge expenditure, largely in the public sector, which, by the way, this government has grown by about 128,000 positions since taking power in 2017, a 128,000-person increase in the size of the public sector, a little more than double the rate of growth of private sector employment in this province.
That represents a 33 percent increase in the size of government, a 33 percent increase in the cost of government, yet I don’t ever have anyone in my constituency say to me: “I think that things have gotten 33 percent better. I feel like my life is getting better. I feel like I can actually afford more today than I could six years ago. I feel that health care is there for me when I need it. I feel that my community is safe.”
Nobody says that. Yet that’s the reality of this government’s record: a huge focus on spending, spending with terrible results, terrible outcomes for British Columbians.
We’ve been spending time in supplementary estimates for the past week or so. We sat here in this Legislature for the first four weeks of the legislative session with a very thin legislative agenda — we’ve commented, I think, a fair amount on that, so I won’t dredge that back up again — only to then have this government come forward with about $3 billion worth of supplementary estimates. It’s reflecting a pace of expenditure that’s faster than the ability of this government to seek approvals to spend the money in the first place.
We made it very clear that we’re not going to have anything to do with this. We don’t have confidence in these last-minute budget measures, which really reflect “on-the-back-of-napkin” calculations that have been brought forward by minister after minister as part of the supplementary budget estimates process. We have no confidence in the NDP’s budgeting practices. We have no confidence in their numbers. We have no confidence in their budgets and the overall estimates.
There are even ministers that have said that the numbers in the budget shouldn’t be trusted. We had the Minister of Housing, the Government House Leader, actually point out that the housing projections, the numbers in their own budget around housing, do not reflect reality. How are you supposed to trust any of the numbers in a budget, when you have members of cabinet who actually don’t appear to be willing to defend the numbers and go so far as to actually say the numbers don’t reflect reality?
In the supplementary estimates with respect to B.C. Ferries — when pressed repeatedly as to, “Did B.C. Ferries actually formally request half a billion dollars for priorities?” — we finally got to a place of: “No, it doesn’t appear that this corporation actually asked for this money.” The minister couldn’t give us any details on how the money is going to be deployed to achieve the policy objective of suppressing fare pressures at B.C. Ferries.
In the supplementary estimates on Indigenous Relations and Reconciliation, again, there are millions of dollars that are to be expended on supporting a range of priorities of a number of bands, a number of First Nations in this province.
Fair enough. When asked, “Did the minister, did this government, reach out to all bands in the province?” the minister couldn’t answer. When asked, “How did you arrive at these specific numbers?” the minister couldn’t answer, no details.
The Ministry of Agriculture is looking for $111 million approval in this place just yesterday. The minister could not answer basic questions about her request for approval on $111 million that supposedly would be pushed out to two agencies. Initially, the minister couldn’t indicate, or wouldn’t indicate — I’m not sure which it was — which agencies would get this money.
When asked, “How much money would each agency get? What is the breakdown?” the minister couldn’t answer that. When asked, “How will the money actually be deployed by these agencies, and for what specific purposes? What do the criteria look like? How is that going to…?” the minister could not answer any of those questions.
Municipal Affairs. The Premier made a great big announcement about $1 billion in grants, but when the Minister of Municipal Affairs was pressed on what the criteria for this are, she couldn’t answer. When the minister was pressed on, “Are there restrictions? Is there an ability for government to claw back the funds if they’re not deployed, as per the intentions of this program?” the minister couldn’t answer.
When asked, “Are there any limitations around expenditures having to be operational or capital? Can there be both, or a mixture? Is it up to the local government?” we actually got one answer from the Premier. His answer changed the next day. Then we get a totally different answer from the minister in these supplementary estimates. I’m going to probably suggest that we’re going to have to go with the Premier on this one, but there was no unanimity of answer, between the minister and the Premier, on a $1 billion grant program.
The people of British Columbia are entitled to basic information about how their money is being spent, who is getting it and in what amounts, and we have not been getting fulsome, detailed answers on any of those questions. As a result, as I’ve said, we have no confidence whatsoever in the calculations that went into these spending requests — this $3 billion of shovelling money off the back of a truck without being able to answer basic questions that the public, that the taxpayers, that the people of this province who are funding these initiatives expect and deserve.
This massive amount of spending, again, is against the backdrop of terrible results. Following a $5 billion surplus last year, the NDP are projecting a deficit this year of $4.2 billion and deficits that will total about $11 billion over the next three years. Taxpayer-supported debt will reach $100 billion. That’s a doubling of total provincial debt in six years under the NDP.
Let’s just stop and think about that for a moment. It took 146 years of multiple governments — Conservative, Liberal, Social Credit, NDP, Social Credit, B.C. Liberal, now NDP again — to accumulate about $50 billion of debt in this province. This government, in six years, has doubled that to $100 billion, and debt-servicing costs are up $1.5 billion per year.
The most alarming aspect of this budget is that there’s no talk about how the government intends to actually grow the economy, how the government is going to generate net new revenues from expanded business activity in this province. There’s no private sector jobs plan. There is no plan detailed in this budget that speaks to the challenges of small business. I mean, we hear all the words. Members opposite are great at talking about how the small business is the backbone of the economy. Small business, small business, small business. Their record is terrible when it comes to small business.
Small business tax revenue is actually anticipated to decline by 20 percent in 2023. That reflects a shrinkage of small businesses in this province — a shrinkage of the small business sector. There’s no relief on employer health tax. That’s anticipated to rise to $3 billion in revenue by 2025. WorkSafeBC revenue for employer paid premiums has gone up from $1.5 billion to $1.8 billion in the span of three years. That’s a 19 percent increase. Payroll costs have increased by 24 percent since 2018 for small businesses with ten employees in this province. That’s under the NDP.
There’s been the move to five paid sick days. There are more statutory holidays. There’s no relief whatsoever for small businesses who have been hit with massive costs related to vandalism and social disorder in downtown cores. We’ve seen a huge increase in all of that social disorder and vandalism. Huge increase in costs have to be borne by small business. No relief. No consideration whatsoever of relief for small businesses dealing with that.
But it doesn’t just end there. There’s hardly a mention of British Columbia’s natural resource sector in this budget. We all hear the stories. We all get the emails. We all have the meetings and do the calls with people engaged in forestry and mining and oil and gas. We all know about the massive backlog in permits. The delays on project approvals. Contractors that literally are flapping in the wind, waiting to find out if a project that they’ve been on — if they’re actually going to be able to work on it.
What does this budget do? What does this NDP do? Instead of cutting red tape to accelerate the permitting process and get decisions done so that people can get to work in the woods so they can extract fibre for their mills, like the mill in Merritt, so it doesn’t go down…. Not because there’s no fibre in that case, but because they can’t access the damn fibre because the government won’t issue the permits in a timely fashion.
But instead of cutting that red tape, the NDP are planning to hire 160 more bureaucrats — 160 more employees who are going to focus on these backlogs.
This budget provides for a projection of a decline in natural resource revenues of 33 percent — 33 percent. Again, like small businesses, this government clearly has in mind that they’re going to manage the decline of the natural resource sector. There’s no plan to ensure that it remains vibrant, that it continues to grow and that it continues to be a significant employer that puts food on the table for B.C.’s families and communities all over this province.
The NDP are intent on managing the decline of forestry, the decline of mining and the decline of our natural resource sector. I would ask the government members to share their thoughts in answer to this question: when Trans Mountain is built and done, when that project is finished; when CGL is done; when LNG Canada’s phase 1 is done; when Site C is done; what are the next big, major projects that are coming in behind them? What are they? There are none.
Indigenous-backed LNG projects, like Cedar LNG, can’t even get an approval out of this government. There are no major industrial projects, no major projects that are coming in behind the ones that were all started under the former government. God willing, the NDP didn’t kill them. I’m sure they looked hard at Site C, LNG and whatnot. They didn’t kill the ones that were underway, but they sure as heck haven’t expedited approvals, or even facilitated approvals, on a reasonable basis.
Where are the tens of thousands of people that work in mining, the tens of thousands of people that are working on pipelines right now, the tens of thousands of people that are working on construction projects related to LNG? Where are these people all going to go? Where are the jobs for them in the future?
We’ve heard comments from different members of the NDP about how those are the jobs of the past. You know, we’re all going to be baristas at coffee shops in small towns of central and northern British Columbia. We’re all going to be engaged as travel agents or in tourism operations and things, because for that proud man or woman who has been engaged as a logging contractor, as a third-generation forestry employee or contractor, that’s the job of the past. That’s not a job of British Columbia’s future. That’s how the NDP thinks about the natural resource sector.
Where is the Premier’s bold action on housing? It sure as heck isn’t in this document. The NDP promised that supply would be a huge focus. This budget actually predicts housing starts to fall over the next three years, to go down. This budget predicts that B.C. Housing’s net new projects are going to decline year over year for the next three years. How is that going to solve the housing challenges we have?
We have the highest housing prices in North America. You need to earn $268,000 a year to afford a mortgage on an average home in Vancouver. We have the highest rents in Canada. If you live in Vancouver, you need to be earning $23,350 more this year than last year to afford a home. Vancouver is the most expensive city in all of Canada for renters, $2,730 per month for a one-bedroom. That’s up 24 percent in one year.
I could go on and on with these numbers. It’s terrible. It’s the same in Victoria. It’s the same in Maple Ridge. It’s the same in Prince George and in Kamloops. Rents have skyrocketed under this government. The cost of housing has skyrocketed under this government. I guess if the government wants to use words like “historic” and “unprecedented,” they could certainly use those words in terms of the cost of housing and the cost of rents in this province.
We hear in this budget that the government’s much-vaunted 30-point housing plan had 13 new taxes in it, a whole range of other actions. It’s going to be refreshed. British Columbians are joyous that this government, after six years, is going to refresh the housing strategy, because everything they’ve done up to this point has worked so swimmingly well.
Crime and disorder in our communities is getting worse and worse. Everyone here knows it. The members who represent Surrey, Chilliwack, Abbotsford, Prince George and every community in this House know that crime is way worse in our downtown cores. It’s gotten way worse in the last six years.
Let’s talk about health care for a few moments. One in five British Columbians has no doctor. One million people are waiting for surgeries. The worst delays for diagnostics that this province has ever seen. A massive increase in the number of walk-in clinics and the longest wait times in the country to get in to see one. That’s if you have walk-in clinics. We don’t have any walk-in clinics in Kamloops.
Ambulance delays, unprecedented. Let’s use that word. We’ll borrow that word from the NDP vocabulary. And 5,500 nursing vacancies. We’ve got terrible, terrible cancer care outcomes, some of the worst in the country. We profile them all the time in this chamber.
While I mention that, let’s talk about the Kamloops cancer centre promise. The people of Kamloops are done. They’re sick of it. They’re sick and tired of NDP governments promising a cancer centre in Kamloops and then reneging on it after the election is over.
The former Premier went up to Kamloops in 2020 during the election campaign. He stood at a podium with his local candidates. He promised the people of Kamloops and the region that the Kamloops hospital serves that there would be a full-fledged cancer centre up and operating, open, with patients in it before the next provincial election, which is in 2024.
We just found out literally a couple of weeks ago that the early stage planning, the concept planning, has been approved. But even that, this government expects the local health authority, and local taxpayers as a result, to have to kick in some of the costs for a concept plan, which is not the way this has ever worked. It’s not the way this is supposed to work there.
There sure as heck isn’t going to be a cancer centre accepting cancer patients in Kamloops, I would argue, in the next 18 months. They haven’t even identified a site. The former Premier actually said on radio to the people of Kamloops that it had actually gone to Treasury Board. It’s outrageous.
If I may, in the limited time that I have left…. In Kamloops, frankly, one in five having no doctor, which is the provincial average, is dreamy compared to what a Kamloops resident has to endure. In Kamloops, two in five don’t have a family doctor. That’s 53,000 people with no family doctor. We have no walk-in clinics.
The urgent primary care centre, which this government made a huge deal about…. If you don’t practically win the lottery…. You have a better chance of winning the meat draw at the legion than actually winning the lottery to actually get a time to see a doctor. If you don’t get a time when that clinic opens in the morning — like, 8:30 or 9 o’clock — you’re not going to see a doctor that day. Go into the ER. Go and clog up the ER.
We have an ER, which is overflowing every single day. We have, as we’ve profiled in this place recently, a massive crisis with obstetrics. If you can imagine this: the government was forewarned. The NDP were forewarned of an impending crisis with accessing prenatal care in Kamloops a year ago. The family doctors, obstetricians and midwives highlighted for this government that there was a big problem brewing.
Well, recently one of two midwife clinics has announced their closure in Kamloops. As concerningly, the largest obstetrics clinic — the largest clinic that focuses on assisting with pre-natal and post-natal care, and so forth…. The Thompson Region Family Obstetrics Clinic, which delivers 60 percent of all the babies born in Kamloops on a monthly basis, is not accepting any more expectant moms with due dates after July 31, because they don’t have locum coverage. They don’t have enough coverage.
The member from Kamloops–North Thompson and I have been inundated with emails. Desperate pleas from expectant moms and Kamloops. In fact, we’ve had some that have said they’ve actually got a for sale sign in their yard now.
I got an email last week from a woman who is a nurse at Royal Inland. Ironic. Her husband is a professional engineer, also in high demand, and they’re leaving Kamloops because they can’t get health care there. They’re about to have their first child. They want to welcome their first child into their family. They can’t access health care. They can’t get a family doctor, and she can’t have the reasonable assurance that she’s going to be able to get the prenatal care that she needs.
It is appalling. This is 2023 in British Columbia. This is absolutely appalling.
All of these challenges in health care we profile, it seems almost every day, and we get the same congratulatory patting on the back of all the things that the government is doing and all the things that the minister is doing. None of it is working. The outcomes are terrible. The outcomes are getting worse and worse.
I don’t know what to say to expectant moms like I just mentioned, who say: “Do I seriously have to leave Kamloops because I can’t reasonably assure myself of having the care that I need to welcome a child into the world?” That is the state that we are in, in health care.
There is so much more that I could talk about. I don’t have the time to do it today. But I just want to say: the government has got to get back to basics here, and they’ve got to go to build out a budget that focuses on growing an economy, growing revenues. That’s how you ensure that you have the resources so we can invest in the services that people need.
That is not a hallmark of this budget. That is completely absent from this budget, and that’s why I will not be supporting it. I have no confidence in this budget and no confidence in this government.
Hon. J. Brar: I’m really pleased to stand up in this House today to speak in favour of Budget 2023.
I would like to start by acknowledging the territory of the Lək̓ʷəŋin̓əŋ-speaking people, the Songhees and Esquimalt First Nations, and to thank them for sharing these lands in peace and friendship.
I will come back to the budget debate in a couple of minutes. First, my sincere thanks to the people of Surrey-Fleetwood for the rare opportunity to serve them as a Member of the Legislative Assembly of this beautiful province, and for putting their faith in me.
My special thanks to my staff members, Prab Sandhu, Priyanka Mehta and Gurjeevan Sidhu, at my Surrey-Fleetwood constituency office and Ryan Chew in my Victoria office. They are exceptional people, beautiful people and doing an excellent job serving the people of British Columbia and helping me in delivering my duty as MLA and as the Minister of State for Trade.
Thanks from the bottom of my heart to the love of my life, my friend, my adviser and my beautiful wife, Rajwant Brar, and to my daughter, Noor, and my son, Fateh, for their love and unconditional support to me during my political journey in the service of people of this beautiful province.
Coming back to the budget. Just before me, the member from Kamloops–South Thompson has made quite interesting comments. I’ve seen…. I’ve been here for a long time. For 16 years, they were in power. I see fearmongering, time and again, when they talk about the NDP.
I still remember them saying, during those 16 years, that if the NDP come into power, they won’t be able to run the economy, that people will leave the province. That’s what they were saying for 16 years. The reality is completely opposite.
Let me tell you. We have a strong, sustainable economy right now in the province of British Columbia. We have the second-lowest unemployment rate, which is 4.4 percent. Last year we created 63,000 jobs in the province of British Columbia, and 107,000 people came to this province from other provinces and other countries because we have jobs in this province. More people are coming this year because we have jobs in this province. We are best positioned, at this point in time, to go through the tough times ahead of us.
This budget, of course, has a priority. It is a priority for us, and of course there are differences between the opposition and us. Budget 2023 takes action on the issues that matter most to the people. This budget invests in improving health and mental health care, creating more affordable housing, growing a clean economy and delivering more help to people, to help people with the cost of living, especially for families and British Columbians most affected by global inflation.
B.C. is a great place to live, but people are facing real challenges, not only from global inflation and the pandemic but from ongoing and systemic challenges. This year’s budget helps protect people who can’t afford today’s high prices and takes action on the issues people care about, like finding affordable housing, accessing health care.
Alongside Budget 2023, the province is putting this year’s surplus to work for people now and for the long term through a $2.7 billion investment in people, communities and organizations throughout B.C. The investments include $1 billion through the growing communities fund, which will help local governments enhance community infrastructure and amenities. This includes roughly over $80 million to Surrey, the fastest-growing city of the province — the opposition leader opposes that funding as well — and $150 million for the B.C. Cancer Foundation to support the newly released B.C. cancer action plan.
The budget is all about priorities, as said by the member who spoke before me, and I agree with it. The opposition leader says he opposes investing the surplus to help people. He would cut, he says, investments like the $1 billion growing communities fund, and that includes, as I said before, $80 million to the people of Surrey. The opposition leader would cut investments in cancer care. The opposition leader would cut the B.C. affordability credit that provides up to $410 in support of a family with two children.
The opposition leader, in the 2012 budget, increased costs on people and made aggressive cuts to services. He hiked MSP premiums and ICBC rates while raiding half a billion dollars from ICBC. He cut child care funding. He froze education funding and underfunded K-to-12 schools by $100 million. He froze advanced education funding and ordered universities to cut $70 million from their budgets.
He started the fire sale that eventually sold $1 billion in public land. That included Surrey hospital land, because of which we couldn’t build the hospital on time. By the way, they announced the Surrey hospital three times during their 16 years — that they were going to build it — but finally, they actually sold the land for the second hospital.
We are building this new hospital. The construction is going to start this year.
When he was making all the cuts, he found the resources to introduce a new $42,000 tax break for people buying a second home or a vacation property. People couldn’t afford that approach then, and they can’t afford it now.
B.C. is a great place to live, but people are facing real challenges. Some say B.C. should respond to a global downturn by pulling back on our support for people and making them pay out of pocket for services like health care and education. That is the wrong approach at the wrong time. Budget 2023 makes smart investments in the things that matter most to help build a strong, more secure B.C. for everyone, not just those at the top.
Budget 2023 invests in getting people into homes they can afford. New pressures in B.C.’s housing and rental market have made it even more difficult for people and families, so this budget invests in getting people into homes they can afford and lays the groundwork for a refreshed housing plan. We are investing $4.2 billion, the largest three-year investment in B.C.’s history ever. This budget provides funding for a new, refreshed housing plan, which will be released later this spring.
We’re also building thousands of new homes through Building B.C., including the Indigenous housing fund and the community housing fund. We are working to build more homes near future transit development projects, and we are also building new student housing spaces, especially in high-demand areas in the Lower Mainland, southern Vancouver Island and Thompson-Okanagan.
This budget also provides support to renters. The renter’s tax credit will put up to $400 a year back in people’s pockets with a new renter’s tax credit. More than one-third of all British Columbians rent their homes. The credit will benefit people with low and moderate incomes, including people who receive income and disability assistance. We expect 80 percent of renting households will receive the tax credit, including people who receive income and disability assistance or support from the rental assistance program or Shelter Aid For Elderly Renters.
This budget also provides help to people with the cost of living. Global inflation has brought new challenges for people across the globe, including the province of British Columbia. We see that every day. The budget launches new and expanded measures to help people with their expenses and new investments to build a strong, more secure future for everyone.
People will receive more through the climate action tax credit. Last year a two-parent family that received the full amount would have received $500 through the climate action tax credit. As of July, the same family will receive almost $900 per year, which will be $400 more than last year. A single person that received the full $193.50 credit amount last year will now receive $447 per year.
We have also doubled student loan maximums, which means that individual students will now get $220 per week, up from $110. Students with dependants will receive $280 per week, up from $140.
Student loan payments. People with student loans do not need to make payments while they make less than $40,000. For people who make more than $40,000, payments will be 10 percent of their income rather than 20 percent, as used to be the case.
Shelter rates have also been increased by $125, starting in July. Higher earnings exemption limits increased by $100 per month for income assistance and increased by $1,200 per year for disability assistance.
The B.C. family benefit has also been increased. Families with children will see a 10 percent increase to their monthly B.C. family benefit, starting in July 2023. At the same time, single parents will receive as much as a $500 annual top-up to help make ends meet, starting July 2023.
This budget also makes investments to make the public safe. Everyone deserves to feel safe and secure in their communities. We are taking action to keep British Columbians safe. We are creating new and expanded enforcement and intervention services to keep people safe and communities safe. Budget 2023 helps fund our safer communities action plan, including hiring more RCMP officers and support staff in communities throughout British Columbia, two new enforcement programs to help reduce repeat offending, funding for continued consultation to inform new policing and police oversight legislation.
Budget 2023 also supports the implementation of decriminalization and reduced stigma. We are supporting community safety through our investments in treatment and mobile mental health response teams.
Budget 2023 is good for the people of Surrey. The city of Surrey remains the fastest-growing community in the province, as we know. We welcome, roughly, about 1,400 people every month, and that remains the highest growth in any city in the province and probably in the country.
The city continues to receive funding for major infrastructure projects. I know the member who spoke before me was asking: “What are the major projects?” I’m going to talk about the major projects only in one city, and that is the city of Surrey. The old government completely failed to provide funding for the projects I’m going to list, just in a few seconds, for the people of Surrey. That’s why I’m saying this budget is very good for the people of Surrey and for the city of Surrey.
The old government failed to build the Pattullo Bridge, the very unsafe Pattullo Bridge, and they were there for 16 years. We are building that Pattullo Bridge. Its construction is now underway, and it’s going to finish probably in the near future.
They also refused, the old government, to build the Surrey to Langley SkyTrain, which is a project worth $3.2 billion. They actually conducted a referendum to refuse that funding. They were there for 16 years, and they never listened to the people of Surrey. We are building that project. The Surrey to Langley SkyTrain, we are going to build, and the funding is already committed for that project.
They also failed to make any commitment and build any new schools for the city of Surrey. Just for the record, during their last term, 2013-2017, they built only one school — only one school in the city of Surrey. We already have built or have under construction more than 13,000 new seats, which is equivalent to almost more than 15 elementary schools, and we are going to build more moving forward.
They also refused to build a new hospital, a second new hospital, for the city of Surrey. In fact, then Premier Gordon Campbell…. I remember. He actually made the announcement three times during the elections — they were going to build a second hospital for the people of Surrey — standing at the same location that was sold later on by the hon. Leader of the Opposition now, who was the Minister of Finance at that time. They sold that land, which was actually bought to build a new hospital.
We are building that hospital. Also, the construction is likely to start this summer.
They also failed to build a new medical school in Surrey.
They talk about Surrey every day. I know that Surrey, to them, is very important politically but not otherwise. Politically it is important but not otherwise.
We are building that medical school in the city of Surrey after 40 years, maybe even more than that. We are going to build the medical school, for the younger generation of the city, so that the kids of the people of Surrey can also become doctors.
When they were in power, they forced the people of Surrey to pay tolls. The costs of the tolls, at that time, were…. If you were a single individual and you were working on the other side, it would cost you maybe about $1,800 per year. If you were a small business person driving a truck, it would cost you $5,000. If you were a small business, it would cost you $50,000 because you had more trucks.
They forced the people of Surrey to pay tolls for many, many years. We eliminated those tolls, saving thousands of dollars for the people of Surrey.
I have a friend who runs a trucking company. He told me just a few days ago, actually…. Our Premier was there. During that meeting, he stood up, and he told the Premier that he saves $50,000 because of the tolls. He also told the Premier that he saves $50,000 because of ICBC improvements.
The member who spoke before me, the member for Kamloops–South Thompson, was questioning the business plan. I don’t want to go on, but people know about his ICBC business plan and how it was difficult to fix. Finally, it was fixed by the Premier now and the AG earlier.
We also eliminated the MSP, saving thousands of dollars for the people of Surrey.
These are the real actions we have taken during the last six years, which they failed to take during the 16 years when they were in power.
[J. Tegart in the chair.]
Hon. Speaker, I would like to say, in the concluding comments…. I hear the comments by the opposition with full interest, but they seem to be completely confused about the budget. One day they will say to you that we need to spend more. The very next day they will come back, and they will say: “You need to spend less.”
When it comes to numbers, I still remember…. I don’t remember the year exactly, but there was a year when they said the deficit would be $495 million, not a penny more. That was before the election. After the election, actually, the deficit was over $2 billion. That was under them.
I fully support the budget presented by the government, because the budget invests in people. This time we need to make investments in people, and we need to support people.
N. Simons: Well, it’s a real honour and privilege to be able to speak on this budget. I don’t know what number of budget it is for me, but I’ve been here for over 17 years. I’ve seen debates on budgets, and I kind of know how the narrative goes. I’m not surprised by anything anyone said about the budget. I think it’s an excellent identification not just of the priorities of our government but of the priorities of the people of the province.
Let me just start by acknowledging that we are on the territory of the Lək̓ʷəŋin̓əŋ people, the Songhees and Esquimalt First Nations. In recognizing that, I’d also like to acknowledge the area that I represent, which is the territory of the Tla’amin and the shíshálh, the skwxwú7mesh, the Klahoose, Homalco and other nations that are part of this 40,000-plus square kilometres of the Sunshine Coast.
I’m happy to represent communities known as Gibsons, Sechelt, Powell River, Madeira Park, Lund. I’m going to miss a few, and you don’t want to leave anybody out. It’s an honour and a privilege to have represented this area. It’s a pleasure to be able to continue to do that with the benefit of government programs and services that will really do a lot to help communities that I represent.
I’d like to also acknowledge my constituency assistants, Amy Clarke and Rob Hill, for their exemplary work. I would be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge Slim Milkie, my partner of 21 years, whose interest in politics has always matched mine. He’s an excellent adviser, whose advice I take sometimes. [Applause.] Thank you to my colleagues. They all know him. He’s a well-known person around this place.
I’m pleased to be able to speak about a budget that tackles some of the big challenges that we as a jurisdiction — and in fact, many other jurisdictions around this country and around the world — are facing, not only as we come through this part of the global pandemic, but we see global inflation as well, the challenges of a poisonous drug supply, the ongoing challenges related to it.
I think we are positioned in a place where we can continue to take important measures, necessary measures to combat the challenges or the struggles that community members and people across all jurisdictions are facing. Here in British Columbia, we are focused on making sure that people are healthy, that people have the resources they need to live a good life, that our economy is working well, that our health care system is working well and that we address the numerous challenges that we face.
Having been here when we’ve seen budgets announcing serious cuts, and the resulting impacts of those cuts to social and educational programs, I think we’re lucky to be in a good place right now in terms of the strong economy. We’re, I think, appropriately contemplating not just the needs of today but the needs of the future.
When it comes to housing, our investments in housing are substantial and larger than they have been before. Our investments in education and in health care, in supporting those who live with low income, I think, are strong and important investments.
[The bells were rung.]
N. Simons: I know we’re not voting on my speech so far. I’ll wait till the bells have finished, but clearly, supplementary estimates in the other chamber are going to a division vote, if you all at home can hear that. Four bells.
Let me just talk about a few of the specifics that I think are highlights of the budget. There are many highlights, but there are a few particular items that stand out to me and that address some of the issues which I hear not just in my constituency but which we hear raised as issues for the province.
I’ll start with the common refrain around this place — that we need to ensure that our justice system is appropriately resourced so that people can feel safe and secure in their communities. I’m not speaking necessarily about street disorder or the challenges that we face when there are the combined issues around addictions. I’m not trying to conflate.
The rural communities in this province have long needed support for their police, for the RCMP. The ability to tell communities in my constituency that funding is going to be made available to ensure the appropriate complement of police officers can be hired and kept in our communities, I think, is reassuring to community members.
Small communities, I think, generally have a unique and different relationship with law enforcement than maybe some of the urban centers have, but it’s one where they’re community members there. They participate in all of the events of our communities. It’s important that their complement be appropriate for the size of the community. Hiring more RCMP officers throughout British Columbia is going to benefit many rural communities and the residents of those rural communities.
There are other issues around bail reform that have resulted in some unexpected consequences and that have resulted in some offenders repeat offending. That has always been a concern of law enforcement — of communities, in fact: the recidivism. We hear many stories about the importance of ensuring that we have programs in place to address repeat offenders. That’s something that Public Safety and Solicitor General has been focused on addressing within the jurisdiction of the province.
I’m pleased that the police review committee made recommendations that are now going to be discussed in further detail, with new funding and new initiatives, to ensure that we have appropriate policing, that the sector is supported and that communities are supported. Access to justice is a fundamental part of our democratic process, one that we take seriously. When we saw cuts in previous budgets under the previous government, we decried those cuts.
Of course, we are reversing those by not just investing in legal aid, but we are investing in creating new justice councils — the First Nations Justice Council and Indigenous justice centres — to ensure that people have access to culturally safe legal help for people who need it.
Minor things that aren’t discussed when we talk about budget include such initiatives as virtual bail hearings. They require funding. They are beneficial to those who are facing challenges in the criminal justice system, as they can remain in their home community and receive the supports they need. We’re also ensuring that the Human Rights Tribunal and Community Legal Assistance Society are funded appropriately.
One area that I raised with the previous government when I was in opposition was the need for better funding for the independent investigations office, the independent office that oversees action of police. I’m pleased to see a $2 million increase to their budget, which will allow them to become robust in their investigations of alleged misconduct or potential circumstances where outside oversight is required.
I represent the Sunshine Coast, where there was a very sad case of a young man, a resident, who died at the hands of the Vancouver police department and whose family continues to wait for some justice in that circumstance. Unfortunately, the independent investigations office was not at the capacity needed to ensure that the investigation took place in a timely manner, in addition to some reticence on the part of the officer who was being investigated to participate fully in that process. That process ended, and further delays occurred.
The importance of having independent oversight, not just of the police but in other areas as well…. I remember being here when oversight of the child welfare system was eliminated. The child advocate, the children’s commissioner and the advocate for children and youth were all eliminated by the previous government, in the name of fiscal responsibility, while, at the same time, giving tax breaks to the wealthiest in this province. I didn’t see that as a fair or a thoughtful way of addressing the needs of our community.
The restoration of oversight of the child welfare system was something that the opposition was successful in convincing the government at the time to do. That was the first time that the Representative for Children and Youth was hired. The position was created, and the person was hired.
I’m talking about oversight and the need for oversight — particularly, the need for oversight when the people served by a particular organization or agency may be vulnerable or without a voice.
I’m pleased to see an increase to the independent investigations office. I hope that other policy and regulatory changes will continue to buttress their capacity to ensure that, as British Columbians, we can have the confidence that we need to have in law enforcement. It is a fundamental part of our democratic process. They are part of our community. They must reflect the values of our community. So I’m pleased about that.
The housing investments from our government, from the province, from the people of B.C.… This is a reflection of the priorities of British Columbians, I believe. This is the importance of ensuring that we get homes for people that they can afford. This is an area of public policy that was, unfortunately, I believe, neglected for many years. This was not solely the fault of any particular government. This is something that we got away from and that we need to get back to.
We are digging ourselves out of a hole. We’re investing the appropriate amount of funds to ensure that we can continue to build the housing stock and address some issues around affordability. We did the largest three-year investment in housing in B.C. history — $4.2 billion. That is going to continue to provide results that are going to have an important and a positive impact on the quality of life of British Columbians.
We’ve invested significantly in Indigenous housing. I’m pleased to say that we were the first government to enter into agreements to build housing on what we refer to as on reserve. We’re working to build more homes near transit development projects. These all make sense. It’s good public policy to be thoughtful about where homes are being built and who they will be available to.
New student spaces in the Lower Mainland, Vancouver Island and Thompson-Okanagan. When you compare the investments we’ve made into student housing versus…. Well, nothing, really. We’re doing a lot, and they weren’t doing anything.
To the students of the province, to the future students of the province, who are taking post-secondary courses….
I’m glad that we’re thinking about the future. We’re thinking about their future. They may not know who was involved. When the day comes when they bring their suitcases up to their new dorm there, they’re going to, perhaps, not know that it was us that did it, but that’s not what public policy is about. It’s about doing what’s right for now and for the future.
The new income-tested renter’s tax credit can put money in people’s pockets. I think it’s appropriate that it’s income-tested. It’s just another one of our steps that we’ve made towards trying to address some of the negative impacts of global inflation. We can’t reverse inflation single-handedly, but we can try to give some tools to people to help them overcome some of those challenges brought by higher costs. That, I believe, is something that’s fundamentally important.
Addressing homelessness and encampments. This is an issue…. It’s a difficult issue, and it’s not one that has simple solutions. The multiple solutions that we have put in place have, obviously, served the people who are living in those supportive housing spaces.
I wonder. Where would those people be living had we not built them? I have 120 supportive housing apartments on the Sunshine Coast that were not there before.
The challenges that people have as they go through life…. I think having a safe place to live, with a roof over their head and a warm bed, allows people to think about how their life is and how they want it to go. I think that’s a fundamentally important part of this, the whole issue about providing homes, housing first.
We’ve expanded the rental assistance program. We’re creating more complex care spaces for people who need more than traditional supportive housing. We are also investing in and continuing to support temporary leased spaces.
When the opposition talks about, “Well, where are the results?” the results are…. When you see the face of somebody who has a place to live, that’s a result. When you see that their family is happy their auntie has got a place to live, there’s a result. These are important results to our community. They’re important to build the social fibre in our communities. I’m so pleased that our government has taken that and has made that a priority on behalf of British Columbians.
Helping people with costs is another theme of this budget. This budget includes measures such as tax credits, the B.C. family benefit, the climate action tax credit and the new income-tested renter’s tax credit, which I mentioned earlier.
Increasing school food programs. As a former social worker, I can say, without any doubt, and everybody knows, that youngsters that go to school…. Children and youth who go to school hungry have a bigger challenge achieving their educational goals. Obviously, food is part of the answer to that. So is a nurturing school. So is a nurturing community.
For a child to know that their community cares about them and cares if they’re hungry or not, I think, serves to further create social cohesion in our communities. It’s not just the funds, and it’s not just the food. It’s the knowledge, among the children, that their community cares for them.
We’ve increased student loan maximums, and we’ve reduced the amount people have had to pay at certain phases in their life. People with student loans don’t need to make payments while they earn less than $40,000 a year. For people who make more than $40,000, payments will be 10 percent of their income rather than 20 percent of their income.
If you ask any student who receives student loans, they will know that this is an important result. This is an important investment. This is something that students…. If the opposition took the opportunity to speak to students, they would know that this is an important investment with immediate results.
Income and disability assistance rates have gone up for the first time, for shelter rates anyway, in a long time. They’re going up by $125 starting in July. This continues our government’s increases to social and disability assistance. The shelter rate has remained stuck at $375 a month, and clearly that wasn’t a reflection of market rates.
At the same time…. We increased support rates many times, and, in fact, a record amount in the last budget. That went to every recipient of social assistance and disability assistance. We’ve also increased the earning exemption limit by $100 a month for people on income assistance. Since it’s calculated annually for people on disability assistance, it increases by $1,200 per year for people receiving disability benefits.
The B.C. family benefit. Families with children will see a 10 percent increase in the monthly B.C. family benefit, starting in July. At the same time, single parents will receive as much as $500 annual top-up to make ends meet. These are important investments. The results of these investments will be significant. They will be important to every family in receipt of those benefits as they struggle with higher food costs, higher fuel costs and the cost of commodities that are beyond the control of any subnational government.
In the world of health and mental health care, we’ve made significant investments. The amounts, while significant, don’t tell the story. They include funding for a new cancer care strategy; a health workforce strategy that will ensure that we can recruit, train and support thousands of new staff; a new family doctor care model. These are all important investments.
You know, when I hear the opposition members talk about this idea that we’re putting money out there without thought, we have put a lot of thought into the needs of British Columbians. My first 12 years in opposition, and subsequently, I’ve thought about what it is that the people of the province need. They need support. They need to know that their social programs and their health services are as robust as they can be.
With all the challenges that we’ve faced in British Columbia, we’ve done a remarkable job of keeping our heads above water, doing what we could during the worst of the COVID pandemic. We were as successful as any jurisdiction could be in terms of keeping people safe and keeping people healthy. I’m happy.
One item that is particularly satisfying is for the people of coastal and island communities. And I tell my friend from Saanich North and the Islands that it should be Saanich North and some islands, because my riding is Sunshine Coast. It should include islands. We have islands on the Sunshine Coast, and we’re served by ferries.
I just remember sitting in opposition, seeing the price of ferry fare going up and up and up. I think ferry fares to Texada Island, over nine years, went up 105 percent. We’ve seen the costs being borne by residents of our community when we’re travelling for medical appointments, visiting family, getting the necessities of life.
We had to pay exorbitant fees, and we saw those fees going up every single year. The proposed increases that we could have expected on the Sunshine Coast over the next three years would have been about 10 percent per year. I was pleased to see that our province has understood the challenge that would have on our residents, on businesses. They have said that we will ensure that fare increases are kept low so that communities won’t suffer. For years and years…. Yes, $500 million to ensure that we can keep ferry fares manageable. Issues around ferries have been a constant in my political career.
When it’s not ferries, it’s issues around water. I was pleased to see our investment in the watershed strategy. That will ensure that we protect our drinking water sources wherever they are and that we ensure that the natural assets associated with those watersheds are protected from being harmed, whether it’s by industrial or recreational activity.
Water is an essential part of life, and our foresight in addressing this is necessary. A lot of people would say we should have done this earlier. Well, this is the time when we’re getting right down to it. We’re going to have important discussions community to community, Indigenous community to other communities. We’ll ensure that our watersheds are protected for future generations to ensure that the flora and fauna and humans have what they need from those resources.
Overall, I think this is a highly supportable budget. It’s one that addresses, checks off, many of the important boxes that British Columbians have high on their priority list. If you applaud for five more minutes, I can fill five more minutes.
Interjections.
N. Simons: Clearly, my eloquent words are resonating in the ears of my colleagues, and they’re enthralled. So let me find another topic to talk about.
You know, I have to say I must have seen I don’t know how many budgets. Is it 17 budgets since I was elected? Something like that. There might have been a minibudget thrown up, and maybe there was…. Or thrown out. A little bit of Freudian slip. There might have been budgets that were presented with very little likelihood of passing when governments changed. But this is one….
We’ve seen a massive investment in food security. It’s another issue that I think is on the minds of people around our province — children accessing food, food banks being able to repurpose or reuse or ensure that we don’t waste as much food as we do in our society. They’ve got refrigeration. They’ve got distribution programs. Many, many food hubs have hired people to ensure that. We heard a member from the opposition today talk about the importance of gleaning food, ensuring that we can repurpose it and make it into consumable and healthy products.
Food security is part of a cooperative effort between the Social Development Ministry and the Ministry of Agriculture. It’s an important area of public policy.
I didn’t talk too much about the fiscal facts, but we see a decline in our deficit from 2023 to ’24 year over year until ’25-26. Our debt-to-GDP remains low compared to other provinces. It’s in a sustainable area. We have a surplus right now.
Supplemental estimates are being debated. I’m hoping that they all pass so that we do get a stabilization of ferry fare rates and that we get the investments in cancer treatment and cancer care that our government has promised and put forward, so we can continue to serve British Columbians well.
There’s one area that I’m glad that I didn’t sit down yet, and that’s the area of free contraception for all British Columbians. It’s always good to see when we can be a leader, looking at other jurisdictions, especially in areas of public and health policy. It’s not just a cost saving for families, it’s access to their needs regardless of their income. I think that communities that we run across…. We’ve seen people make decisions between what they can afford to purchase and what they can’t afford to purchase. Contraception isn’t a luxury. It’s a necessity for those who choose to use it.
Our government’s statement is not just a statement about an economic saving for people but actually a social policy statement that in British Columbia, we support the right of people to make decisions around their body. We do so in an encouraging way. We have social programs and policies in place to ensure that families have access to what they need.
I think that’s everything about this budget. We’re putting forward important policies, programs, services and funding to meet the needs of people in this province.
I just thought of something I really wanted to say, but it’ll take about 15 minutes. I might have to get leave from the House.
With that, thank you for this opportunity. I’m happy to support the budget.
Deputy Speaker: Seeing no further speakers, I recognize the Minister of Finance to close debate.
Hon. K. Conroy: I want to thank everyone for their comments on the budget during the budget debate — some interesting comments, some expected, in both positive and other ways. I want to comment to the member for Abbotsford West that I appreciated his comments until he started going the other way, but I did appreciate his comments.
I believe that most people in the chamber recognize that this budget continues the good work of my predecessors, Carole James and the Minister for Post-Secondary Education and Future Skills.
We’ve had a number of comments from people as we have gone out since tabling the budget. I do have to say, the most frequent comments we got from everybody, no matter what your political stripes or where you live in the province, was on the free contraception.
I got a comment from a dad who looked at me and went: “Four. I have four daughters. Thank you, thank you.” And, actually, from a woman in her late forties who thanked me because, she said: “I still need birth control, and thank you so much.” She said: “This isn’t just for young people. It’s for people in the late forties as well, and other older ages.” So it reminds us of how important initiatives like that are.
I think that people understand that we’re continuing to invest in people, which is exactly what was started in 2017. We’re continuing to invest in people right across this province, whether you’re urban or rural, and people of all ages. We will continue to do that, because we know that we can invest in people while ensuring we have a strong, sustainable economy.
Actually, we have one of the best economies in Canada. I think everyone in the province can be proud of that and know that we’re heading in the right direction.
With that, I move, seconded by the hon. Premier of British Columbia, that the Speaker do now leave the chair for the House to go into Committee of Supply.
Deputy Speaker: Division has been called.
[Mr. Speaker in the chair.]
Mr. Speaker: Members, the question is the Speaker do now leave the chair for the House to go into Committee of Supply.
Motion approved on the following division:
YEAS — 44 | ||
Alexis | Babchuk | Bailey |
Bains | Beare | Begg |
Brar | Chandra Herbert | Chen |
Chow | Conroy | Coulter |
Cullen | Dean | D’Eith |
Dix | Donnelly | Dykeman |
Elmore | Furstenau | Glumac |
Greene | Heyman | Kahlon |
Leonard | Lore | Ma |
Malcolmson | Mercier | Olsen |
Osborne | Popham | Rankin |
Robinson | Routledge | Routley |
Russell | Simons | Sims |
A. Singh | Starchuk | Walker |
Whiteside |
| Yao |
NAYS — 24 | ||
Ashton | Banman | Bernier |
Bond | Clovechok | Davies |
de Jong | Doerkson | Halford |
Kirkpatrick | Kyllo | Lee |
Letnick | Merrifield | Milobar |
Oakes | Paton | Ross |
Rustad | Stewart | Stone |
Sturdy | Tegart | Wat |
Committee of Supply (Section A), having reported resolutions, was granted leave to sit again.
Hon. R. Kahlon moved adjournment of the House.
Motion approved.
Mr. Speaker: This House stands adjourned until 10 a.m. tomorrow.
The House adjourned at 6:47 p.m.
PROCEEDINGS IN THE
DOUGLAS FIR ROOM
Committee of Supply
SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES:
MINISTRY OF
AGRICULTURE AND FOOD
(continued)
The House in Committee of Supply (Section A); R. Leonard in the chair.
The committee met at 2:55 p.m.
The Chair: Good afternoon, everyone. I call Committee of Supply, Section A, to order. We’re meeting today to continue consideration of the supplemental estimates of the Ministry of Agriculture and Food.
On Vote 13(S): ministry operations, $111,000,000 (continued).
The Chair: Now I recognize the member for Delta South.
I. Paton: Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you, Minister, for continuing a few questions here this afternoon.
As I started out yesterday, based on my history of being in farming my entire life and still living on the farm that I was born and raised on, and being very involved with the Farmers Institute, the B.C. Ag Council, I have to talk for a minute about what farmers in this province are really looking for financial assistance for.
There’s $111 million that has been added to this budget. Yet farmers have been through…. This is quite a lengthy list, so please indulge me.
They’ve been through avian influenza and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of chickens and turkeys. Fires, floods and mudslides. Trying to repair houses, equipment, feed, fencing in Merritt, Princeton and Abbotsford. The heat dome, which lost many, many crops. The death of poultry and cattle. The tree fruit industry is waiting to find out about tree replant and vine replant for the grape growers.
The decline in apple profits, trying to find out how we can improve financial stability for our apple growers. Wildlife damage on farms, where farmers are looking for financial assistance on losses from elk, geese, ducks, swans, etc. The scorch virus in our blueberry crops is devastating blueberry farmers right now. The carbon tax on farm uses of fuel and propane is hurting so many farmers in this province that use diesel and propane, not only for their tractors, but for grain dryers up north.
The risk management shortfalls, the rising interest rates, the shortage of veterinarians for farm animals in this province and the shortage impending of crazy things such as shavings and dry bedding for livestock throughout this province.
Of course, the three main ones are feed, fuel and fertilizer, that are desperately hurting farmers in British Columbia.
With all these things that I have listed that are so important for financial stability, and trying to keep farmers in this province from declaring bankruptcy, can the minister please tell me how the $111 million that suddenly popped into this budget in December of 2022…? How are those items or initiatives of food security and strengthening our food processing capacity more important than the 15 items I just read off?
The Chair: Minister.
Hon. P. Alexis: Thank you so much for chairing today.
Many of the things that you referenced today are reflected, indeed, in the programs that we have rolled out. Today I’d like to speak to you in more detail of those programs and attach dollar values to them.
You know that we’re intent on and committed to supporting the farmer, the food producer and the processor. As I said yesterday, we’re still in the process of working out the fine details with our partners, but I heard from you loud and clear yesterday that you’re interested in more information on the program allocation, and I’m happy to provide the following information, which I mentioned several times yesterday is subject to change. After today, I’m happy to share that with you, and we can go over it together.
The first program is the Indigenous food sovereignty and food security program, which will increase Indigenous food security, sovereignty and economic development while decreasing food costs for rural and remote Indigenous people. This is a $30 million grant to be provided to the New Relationship Trust.
We heard from the First Nations leadership gathering that food security and food sovereignty were top priorities. Indigenous communities know what they need, and our government is listening and providing funding so they can make those choices. Increasing Indigenous participation in B.C.’s agricultural economy and working with Indigenous partners to strengthen local and regional Indigenous food systems is a key part of our reconciliation commitments. This funding will enable Indigenous communities to build greenhouses, community gardens, irrigation systems, buy tractors and support communities to hire experts to help them return to farming.
The next program is food security, emergency planning and preparedness, which will allow agricultural producers, industry associations and Indigenous communities to develop disaster plans, mitigation strategies and projects with a unique focus on food security and agricultural resiliency. This is a $20 million grant that will be administered by the Investment Agriculture Foundation.
This funding will help communities plan for emergencies, including how and where to move cattle, chickens and other livestock in the event of a wildfire or atmospheric river event. This includes funding to farmers and producers so they can proactively purchase equipment and make infrastructure improvements that will help in emergency events.
The next program is flood mitigation for Fraser Valley farmers, which will provide funding for flood mitigation projects for agricultural producers most impacted by the 2021 floods, with an emphasis on solutions that provide both flood mitigation and habitat restoration. This is a $20 million grant that will be administered by the Investment Agriculture Foundation.
This will help communities protect key infrastructure — for example, retrofitting barns, or moving electrical equipment to higher ground when the water level starts to rise. This funding will be complementary to larger mitigation efforts and focus on projects that protect our food-producing agricultural land as well as protecting the region’s ecosystem.
The next program is the food processing growth program. This will address critical gaps in B.C.’s food processing sector to increase food production, food security and economic growth. This is a $20 million grant that will be administered by the Investment Agriculture Foundation.
These funds will help B.C. food and beverage processors scale up their operations into modern facilities and be more competitive. This will keep B.C. businesses and jobs in B.C., as well as creating value-added opportunities for B.C., both in the domestic and export markets. This will also result in more nutritious local foods being available in B.C. communities and feeding British Columbians.
The food affordability and innovation program will help lower British Columbians’ grocery bills by fostering innovation and improving productivity. This is a $20 million grant that will be administered by the Investment Agriculture Foundation.
This will keep B.C. foods in our local food chain. We will be supporting the availability of more locally grown B.C. food in independent and smaller grocers. This will stimulate competition in the market by supporting smaller grocery chains so that they can compete with large, multinational competitors.
We know people are concerned about how much control large companies have on the overall price of food. By having this competition, along with targeted funding to help make the supply chain more efficient, we can help make food more affordable for British Columbians.
And finally, the last program is the Richmond food hub. We will be adding to the growing B.C. Food Hub Network, and this will be the 14th regional food hub. This will be a $1 million grant to the city of Richmond. Funding will go towards planning, development, construction and operation of the food hub.
Our government is providing support and making it easier for B.C. producers and processors to succeed, while contributing to local food security and a strong economy. Food hubs will help maximize what we’re producing locally and provide a stable domestic market. Again, I’ll reiterate that I’m happy to share this with you after. I’d love to have a meeting with you and go over it.
I. Paton: Thank you to the minister for that. So the second and third disaster plans: climate readiness and flood mitigation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but those….
There was money set aside for those programs just recently, within the last month or so. Is that correct?
Hon. P. Alexis: The money you referred to is part of a broad program, and it’s a federal and provincial mix. The money we’re talking about today in supplementary estimates is very much specifically going exclusively to agriculture.
I. Paton: As of yesterday afternoon, we asked question after question about how the money would be spent, how it would be divided up, and it wasn’t until late in the day yesterday that we were told that $30 million would go towards the new relationship trust. So we finally got that answer, but all the answers I was just given we couldn’t get yesterday.
To the minister, why is it that yesterday afternoon there were no answers whatsoever as to where these programs would be implemented, but now we’re getting them this afternoon?
Hon. P. Alexis: Thank you for the question, Member. We were very cautious yesterday because the moneys are obviously subject to change — as I said many, many times — and there were active conversations happening even yesterday while we were in the House debating supplemental estimates.
We did feel more comfortable today giving you more information and balanced, certainly, the risk as far as sharing and not sharing. We just want to reiterate that we have shared this, and we may still see some change. These are active conversations that are happening.
I. Paton: Thank you to the minister. I might suggest that everyone was up late last night with the IAF deciding where all these different funds were going to go. When the contracts are finalized and the details can be released, will the minister send me a breakdown of the line items of what is actually being funded and for how much?
The Chair: Just before you speak, Minister, a reminder to speak through the Chair. Don’t use the word “you,” and you’ll be fine.
All right. Recognizing the minister.
Hon. P. Alexis: Thank you, Chair. Through you, yes, we will.
I. Paton: One of the goals is food affordability. How will this trickle down into taxpayers’ pockets?
Hon. P. Alexis: I’m just going to read some notes about the food affordability program, and then I’m going to make some comments. The food affordability and innovation program will seek to address the most vexing problem facing B.C. consumers today, which is how to address the impact of inflation on food prices.
Government has a limited ability to influence food prices, and providing direct financial support to consumers would likely only add to inflation. To that end, we have proposed a new program, to be administered by the IAF, which will incentivize producers, wholesalers and distributors to find new and innovative ways to provide food to local communities in a way that gives those communities access to greater competition between food retailers. This will be of particular value in rural British Columbia, where additional opportunities can be created for the efficient movement of foods that will benefit independent retailers.
Direct sourcing and logistics may be a focus of this program, and we are approaching the program design carefully. We will be holding several sessions with key partners from the sector in the coming weeks and will finalize eligibility, reporting requirements and auditing accountabilities before the end of the month.
I want to add that we’ve had this conversation many, many times among staff, and we are understanding that it’s not going to be maybe one program that’s going to make a difference. It’s the collective of all the programs that will make a difference, ultimately, wherever you live in British Columbia. That’s the goal. It’s a suite of programs to provide as much impact to as many different entities and different people, regardless of where you live.
That’s the goal. I just wanted to add that.
I. Paton: Thank you to the minister for that answer.
Going back to my previous question on a breakdown of the items and what is actually being funded and for how much, it’s rather obvious to myself and to agriculturists, I believe, in this province that this $111 million as supplemental to the budget for 2022-23 just suddenly came down out of the sky, like many other announcements in the last few weeks, and there’s been a panic to try and figure out who’s going to handle this money and where these programs are.
This has come out today, as we can see. Adding to my question from a few moments ago, I would like to know a timeline of when not only myself and my caucus but farmers in this province will know the breakdown of the programs, the initiatives and how much money is going to each program.
Hon. P. Alexis: The money will be out the door by the end of March. Agreements will be in place before then, of course. Very quickly after that, there will be intakes for each program. I’m happy to meet with you whenever it’s convenient, to go through all of that so that you can indeed share the information too.
I. Paton: Thank you to the minister for that answer.
Yesterday the minister confirmed that $111 million was part of the $200 million announcement yesterday. The minister then confirmed that $49 million of that was for SDPR, which leaves us with an extra $40 million. The minister said it was for contingencies. Could the minister provide an example of what would be a contingency in this case?
Hon. P. Alexis: Additional approvals of the $48 million that you’re referring to are available but outside of supplementary estimates. I’m happy to walk through those details when we can, but we can’t do this in this setting with debating of supplementary estimates.
I. Paton: Farmers have been asking for fair compensation through the provincial insurance schemes for a long time. After the 2021 floods, many farmers had delayed compensation or none at all. The announcement yesterday says that funding will improve the resilience of the B.C. food supply by identifying and mitigating the effects of climate change.
How will the funding support that? Will it be for irrigation, dike upgrades, increased funding through insurance schemes or possibly increased funding to blueberry farmers that have had houses and blueberry crops wiped out?
Hon. P. Alexis: The investments in food security, emergency planning and preparedness will help farmers and others involved in the food supply chain to build their resiliency in the face of emergencies such as wildfires or floods.
The investment in flood mitigation for Fraser Valley farmers will provide both flood mitigation and habitat restoration to protect our food-producing agricultural land, which is, of course, critically important to farmers.
These are just some examples, but as the member knows, there are numerous other initiatives to support farmers that the ministry delivers, and those initiatives are outside the scope of the supplementary estimates debate.
I look forward to discussing these issues further in our main estimates debate in a few weeks.
I. Paton: This is all fine and dandy that we suddenly have this massive surplus and that money is going out the door fast and furious in this province just in the last three or four weeks. These wonderful things are happening for agriculture in British Columbia, with $111 million added to IAF for initiatives and the New Relationship Trust. But what happens next year and the year after to keep these programs going?
Are we going to see $111 million next year and the year after and the year after that so we can keep all of these programs that you’ve suggested going?
Hon. P. Alexis: As we know, this is one-time funding and open intake. As soon as the intake has opened, we expect that this will last over a period of three years. That’s what the thinking is, so it’s not just in this one calendar year. There won’t be new money, necessarily, put into it, but it will, we expect, last for up to three years.
I. Paton: Okay. So we’ve heard that this $111 million will be spread over three years, possibly.
Working with the New Relationship Trust, what is the specific agriculture- and food-focused program that is being supported? The IAF works with the Indigenous food systems and agriculture partnership program. Is any of the funding for Indigenous food sovereignty going into this program as well?
Hon. P. Alexis: The Indigenous food sovereignty and food security fund has a $30 million investment, which will be administered by the New Relationship Trust. The end users of this fund will be Indigenous communities, Indigenous farmers and Indigenous food processors.
I. Paton: We’re getting close to wrapping up here.
With any good business and the use of taxpayers’ dollars…. When we see these programs that come out of $111 million added to this budget, what will be the metrics that we can look at a year from now or two years from now that will show us the success rate or the failure rate of each of these programs? That’s important that we see. With any business that puts money into a project, we need to see whether it was a success or a failure. Will we or when will we be able to see the success, or the metrics, of these programs?
Hon. P. Alexis: The agreements will have strong reporting requirements and metrics back to the ministry to ensure that the programs are meeting the objectives and the needs of the agricultural sector.
Just as a note, due diligence is just as important to me as it is to you, sir.
I. Paton: Just two more questions, if you’ll indulge me.
As I’ve indicated before, I would suggest that this rollout has been done in an extremely rapid fashion. And when I read off my list of things that are extremely important to me and farmers and ranchers in this province with financial stress from these different issues, I’m wondering if there were other initiatives or issues that I read out at the very beginning of this session that were considered with this $111 million, over and above what you finalized with IAF and the new relationship fund.
Hon. P. Alexis: None of the issues that you raised today are a surprise to me. We have existing programs. We have the supplementary estimates. We have other funding sources. We have the new CAP program we expect to sign with the federal government very shortly. There are other things at our disposal.
I. Paton: I think we can wrap this with something that is very important to me — veterinarians. My brother is a horse veterinarian in Aldergrove, and I’ve dealt a great deal, in the last few years, with the veterinary association of B.C. and the lack of veterinarians, especially in rural areas of British Columbia. Even today, on the phone in my office here in this building, I’m talking to veterinary students that are at the University of Saskatoon right now. They need to know….
The Ministry of Advanced Education: I know I’m not dealing with you folks right now, but I’m pleading with you, if you could speak with her and find out. These students need to know by the end of March for the upcoming year in Saskatoon if they will get the subsidies from British Columbia to pay $11,000 a year versus $69,000 per year. They’re sweating bullets, financially.
The Ministry of Advanced Ed was kind enough to come through with what we’ve been begging for, for a few years — to subsidize 40 seats, rather than 20. I’m asking the minister if we could get an answer….
If you could speak with Minister Robinson to find out if we can get an answer before….
I’d like to wait and ask this question in budget estimates, possibly in April, but we need to know an answer sooner than that.
Hon. P. Alexis: I am well aware of the predicament that the students are finding themselves in, and I have spoken to the school itself. I’ve spoken to the minister and have continued to advocate on behalf of those students that are waiting to hear.
Unfortunately, I can’t give you anything further, but we will continue to take it up with Advanced Education.
I. Paton: Thank you to the minister and her staff for indulging me for the last three or four hours. I look forward to doing this again in several weeks at budget estimates time.
The Chair: Seeing no further questions, I ask the minister if they would like to make any closing remarks before I call the vote.
Hon. P. Alexis: I just want to thank the member opposite for the questions.
I really look forward to going through the different programs with you and how we can, together, help support the farmers as much as we can. Again, I’m going to say that the programs we have come up with are meant to be done together, and that’s where we’re going to see a difference.
Thank you so much for your patience, as well, and to the other members today.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
The Chair: Thank you, Minister and all members.
Seeing no further questions, I’ll now call the vote.
Division has been called.
Thank you, Members. By unanimous consent, we can start before the clock runs out.
All those in favour of the vote taking place now?
Interjection.
The Chair: Are you saying nay? Thank you. So we will wait.
Members, a division is about to be taken. Before putting the question, I will remind all members that it is understood, pursuant to the sessional order dated February 6, 2023, that only the permanent members of Section A or their duly appointed substitutes are authorized to vote.
The question is shall Vote 13(S) pass.
Vote 13(S): ministry operations, $111,000,000 — approved on the following division:
YEAS — 7 | ||
Alexis | Beare | Chow |
Malcolmson | Rice | Simons |
| A. Singh |
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NAYS — 3 | ||
Ashton | Davies | Halford |
The Chair: We will take a short recess as we change things about.
The committee recessed from 3:56 p.m. to 4:03 p.m.
[H. Yao in the chair.]
SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES:
MINISTRY OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT
AND POVERTY REDUCTION
The Chair: I call Committee of Supply, Section A, back to order. We’re meeting today to consider the budget estimates of the Ministry of Social Development and Poverty Reduction.
Before I continue, Members, as the Committee of Supply examines the supplementary estimates for the Ministry of Social Development and Poverty Reduction, please remember that the debate must be focused on the additional funding requests for the ministry. Consideration of the supplementary estimates does not allow for an extensive look at the ministry operations in the way that the consideration of the main estimates does.
I’ll ask members to hold any broad questions for the upcoming main estimates process and to keep their questions to the minister focused on the supplementary funding request, an overview of which is provided on page one of the supplementary estimates book. Thank you, everyone.
On Vote 43(S): ministry operations, $49,000,000.
The Chair: Minister, do you have any opening remarks?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Yes. I do. Thank you, Chair. I’m pleased to be here as Minister for Social Development and Poverty Reduction proposing a historic $49 million investment in food access and security, an investment that will provide critical relief to individuals and families across B.C. who are struggling to access food.
Joining me today from our ministry is my assistant deputy minister, Suzanne Christensen, to my left; our executive director for strategic policy initiatives, Whitney Borowko, to my right; my deputy minister, David Galbraith; and executive financial officer Adam McKinnon.
As the Chair noted, my remarks will be focused on the topic of today, which is debating the supplementary estimates for the 2022-23 year. This is the step that we need to take to secure more spending authority than was secured in last year’s budget. I look forward to the opportunity to debate Budget 2023-24 with the member and all members of the opposition in the coming weeks, but not today.
Food security has been a long-standing challenge for many people in British Columbia. The last few years have seen a significant increase in this need. The pandemic, increased cost of living, supply chain challenges and climate events have had unprecedented impact on our communities, disproportionately impacting individuals and families already experiencing poverty and leading many people who had never before used food banks to seek them out for the first time.
The investments we are discussing today will provide urgent resources and infrastructure to the food security system in B.C. to help deliver help to those who need it the most. In many ways, this submission is historic, representing both food production and food access. We’ve seen, over the last couple of days, the food production side, but this is the focus on food access as we define food security. We have been collaborating with partners across the province.
The funding that we seek will support diverse communities in all regions of the province. These projects will increase food security for people in need, with a particular focus on those struggling the most, including Indigenous people, racialized community members and youth.
This investment includes two key areas of funding. The first is $22.5 million for food cost response, additional regional food hubs and expanded community food access around B.C., with a particular focus on rural and northern areas.
This first block will support a network of food access organizations across B.C. that have been on the front lines of dealing with the dual challenges of unprecedented demand for food while the costs of running programs has never been higher. Because of this new funding, these essential organizations will be able to feed more people immediately while also starting to expand their reach, both to different population groups and geographically, to new areas of the province.
The organizations being funded work through a hub-and-spoke model to support diverse food access organizations. These were also the groups first on the ground, responding to food needs in the pandemic and in climate-related fires and floods.
Part of this funding will contribute to long-term capacity-building by convening the partners that do this kind of specialized work to learn from each other, to work more effectively together and to build long-term capacity to support more people.
The second key area of investment is $26.5 million to support community food organizations with much-needed food infrastructure investments. We’ve heard loud and clear that infrastructure is the missing link in the food access and security delivery system.
There’s a lot of nutritious, high-quality surplus food in B.C. that is going to waste because the not-for-profit sector simply does not have the capacity to store and transport large amounts of food donations from grocery stores and food producers, not at the scale required to meet this rising need.
Examples of infrastructure that we’ll be funding in this bundle will include larger commercial-grade coolers, new or improved warehouse facilities, new or upgraded vehicles for collection management, distribution and redistribution of food. Investing in this infrastructure will make a huge difference connecting available food, particularly healthy, fresh food, with those who need it and creating long-term sustainability for charitable food programs.
In closing, this $49 million of funding will significantly advance the food security mandate that the Premier has given me. Our government understands what people are facing in B.C. We are taking action to support them.
Thank you, Mr. Chair, for the attention. I look forward to answering questions from the members opposite.
The Chair: Thank you, Minister.
I now recognize the member for Peace River North. Do you have any opening remarks?
D. Davies: Just a few, and then I’ll just jump right into my questions, if that pleases the Chair.
First of all, thanks, Minister. Welcome to your new role. I know this is the first time that we’ve had an opportunity to…. I don’t know if I want to use the words “face off.” That seems a little much. But certainly to debate and talk about something that obviously I’m sure that we both, and everybody in this House, believe in and know that we all need to do better and continue to work toward making the lives of British Columbians better.
With the announcement around food banks and food distribution, we know that that is important. We recognize it, but we obviously do have many questions around the process that I’ll be asking.
I do want to thank the staff, as well, that is here today supporting you. I know that they do a lot of heavy lifting as well. I want to thank them for their time and the staff that isn’t here, within SDPR, as well.
I also want to thank the many, many volunteers and workers, people that support British Columbians, especially within the vulnerable populations across the province, to make their lives a little bit better. We know that there are many heroes out there and across British Columbia, so I certainly want to take a moment to recognize all of them as well.
During the supplemental estimates on March 1, 2023, the Minister of Indigenous Affairs said the following: “The Ministry of Finance, working with other ministries and the Premier’s office, asked us what opportunities could advance some of the key priorities of the government.”
My question is to the minister. Can the minister confirm that she was approached, and if so, what were the priorities identified in that conversation?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Thank you to the member for the question, but also for your introductory comment and, particularly, your recognition, which I know we share, about the people that are really doing the hard work on the front line. This really is what this $49 million of funding is about. As you know, it has to move outside government budget by year-end, so we are really working to identify how we can best support that work that’s happening in the outside-government sector.
When I came into this role on December 7, it was in my mandate letter that I work on food security and dignified access to food, in partnership with food producers, grocery stores, food banks, schools and not-for-profits. That was to be with support from the Minister of Agriculture and Food and the Parliamentary Secretary for Community Development and Non-Profits. That’s a PS that sits within my ministry.
The Ministry of Finance, in consultation with the Premier, identified items for supplementary estimates based on opportunities that advance key government priorities. Those include initiatives that support health, affordability, reconciliation, climate, emergency preparedness, infrastructure supports for communities throughout B.C.
We identified from that the affordability part of those stated government priorities really were the ones that fit the very best with SDPR. That’s what you will see outlined in the $49 million that we have here — government priorities as they relate to affordability particularly. All of this is a focus on helping people with the affordability of food.
D. Davies: SDPR provides services and resources to many of the most vulnerable population in British Columbia. The minister spoke somewhat about the priorities and what the priorities look like, but I guess to dig a little deeper is the rationale. I know obviously there must have been a criteria of looking at supporting the food security issues, but there are so many other areas within the social development piece that we’ve been hearing over and over for the last year around the affordability, making lives of British Columbians better.
What was the rationale of choosing this specific piece on food and food security over the many other pieces that…? I know that the minister has been hearing from the same advocates I have been. What was the rationale of prioritizing this over those other very important pieces?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I will note the member’s reflection that there are many other measures that we are taking that certainly do align with the priorities that we hear from people who are experiencing poverty, people who face disabilities. I imagine that is something that the member and I will discuss at some length when we go into the ordinary estimates process.
Also, I will attempt to answer his question about: why food security? Partly, the rationale’s big picture but then also a little bit more about the process that got us to this point.
The events of recent years, including inflation, climate change, emergencies, pandemic recovery…. These are all things that the Premier talked about yesterday at our press conference. They’ve all had significant impacts on food security. Food security concerns are top of mind for many British Columbians, particularly those living in poverty, those in rural and remote regions and Indigenous communities.
Some of the data that we’ve been working from was collected in 2021 through the Canada income survey. It found that in the previous 12 months, 15 percent of people living in B.C. had experienced household food insecurity, including 17 percent of children. Household food insecurity has since grown significantly due to COVID-19, inflation, supply chain issues and climate emergencies that have interrupted both food supply as well as production.
Food aid agencies, including Food Banks B.C., are reporting historic levels of need, with increases of 25 percent between 2021 and 2022, particularly among key groups including singles, immigrants and refugees, Indigenous people and increasing numbers of people who are employed yet unable to afford food.
Against that backdrop, what I would say is that the Finance Minister, having become aware that there’s an affordability issue around food security and having clear direction from the Premier that we would use surplus revenues for the fiscal 2022-23 year to help British Columbians with affordability challenges…. It was decided by the Finance Minister and the Premier which areas would be funded to protect British Columbians’ access to food. That’s what is included in these supplementary estimates.
D. Davies: To be clear, then, if I could maybe…. I want to be certain that I heard that this priority was done by the Premier and the Minister of Finance. I want to make sure that I got that clear.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Yes.
D. Davies: The minister, in her opening statements, talked about the two funds, the $111 million that was allocated to the Ministry of Agriculture and then the $49 million that was allocated through SDPR, and talked about food security versus food access. I just wonder if the minister could go into more detail about what those two pieces look like. I’ll just leave it at that.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Thank you to the member for the question. I’m going to talk about three different pools. I can go into more detail if you want, but I’ll just do this first cut, and then I can get more on the record if you want.
The critical food security infrastructure, $26.5 million, will improve food security infrastructure throughout the province. Those are the examples I gave in the intro — things like larger commercial-grade coolers, new or improved warehouse facilities, new or upgraded vehicles for collection, warehouse management, distribution of food. This is, again, the model….
Just for the benefit of the public, who I’m sure are tuning in and watching us from all over the province, it’s that kind of thing where there are donations, particularly of fresh food. A central organization will receive donations of food, and then it’s up to them to both keep it fresh and then also to make it available either to people in the community or to other organizations.
We have asked United Way to administer a critical food security infrastructure fund. United Way will distribute the funding to administer a grant program for community organizations with critical food security infrastructure needs. This could, again, include supports for cold storage, warehouse space or transportation to improve fresh food access, food delivery, waste diversion. United Way B.C. is a trusted ministry partner with a strong record of fiscal responsibility. It has a lot of experience delivering this kind of program and will be working closely with the province in the development of the fund.
I will say, as the member has heard from other ministers, we are still finalizing the final funding agreements, but we have got United Way’s commitment that they’re willing to do this work and that it fits well with their aims.
Here’s, then, the second bundle of work. Food Banks B.C. We are going to grant approximately $15 million to support food access programming, crisis response and work toward long-term food security outcomes. This will be focused around Food Banks B.C.’s broad provincial reach and the supports that it has been giving to communities across B.C.
Their membership comprises 106 hunger relief agencies throughout B.C., and I think the member will be familiar that very often our ministry has given year-end funding to Food Banks B.C. It’s how we run food banks programs.
Then the third bundle is another United Way program of $7.5 million to support expansion of the Regional Community Food Hub programming, including new hubs in northern B.C., and to support coordination of effective community food access responses through an advisory committee.
I’ll be able to say one more thing about that. Again for the benefit of the public, food hubs are partnership-driven. They involve close collaboration with local food banks, Indigenous organizations and communities and other social service agencies delivering wraparound supports.
I also want to note for those who, like us, are keen on the fine print…. You might have noted that there are also very much agriculture-focused food hubs that are more about, sort of, the processing of food. It’s something that supports farming. These food hubs are designed, again, around community not-for-profits, the delivery of what we intended initially or envisioned initially to be food security, but it turns out that they end up really being kind of community hubs and are distributing things like period poverty products and other things that people in particularly low income need access to.
Those are the three areas. I welcome further questions from the member.
D. Davies: I thank the minister for the response and the breakdown.
I wonder: what was the ministry’s input on developing criteria for each of these agencies on what it looks like — how they distribute the funds and what that looks like?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I may not have completely understood the member’s question, so I will happily receive his follow-up if I haven’t got at this quite the way that he was hoping.
Both Food Banks B.C. and United Way B.C. are organizations that we have funded many years in a row. They have a very strong track record, a very well-established relationship with organizations that we see as effectively delivering food into communities and, also, programs and experience that are scalable so we can reach some of the other areas that, geographically, are being underserved right now.
That was the basis of our ministries’ confidence about them as good holders of the funding. The final decision was the Finance Minister’s.
D. Davies: The minister talked about the coolers, trucking, warehousing. Those seem like pretty substantial infrastructure investments. My question is specifically around that, I guess, with the United Way. Are there any parameters and criteria related to how that is expended on behalf of the government and the taxpayer?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: We’re speaking about the infrastructure fund we’ve asked the United Way to administer. The policy parameter is it has to be for infrastructure. That’s the broadest definition. Our experience, from SDPR administering grantee funds like this…. We will build in, as we finalize the final grant paperwork, reporting requirements, data collection requirements.
We’re also confident because of the United Way’s extensive experience in both choosing good candidates and then, themselves, having the accountability built in. It means that, really, SDPR will have accountability with the United Way. The United Way, in turn, will have that accountability with their grantees. Because of our experience administering funds like this with them in the past, we’re confident that they will do the work that we’re asking them to do to help community organizations invest in food security infrastructure.
D. Davies: A real quick question just around that. What is the reporting mechanism for them to report back to the ministry? What does that look like?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: These will be multi-year…. It will be a multi-year commitment.
The framework within which there is reporting…. We have quarterly meetings with the United Way, an annual reporting requirement where they report on…. Both at the quarterly meetings and the annual report, they will be reporting on funds distributed, to whom, what the community impacts were, progress reports and financial statements.
D. Davies: Just to clarify, I’m not sure if I heard the minister right. This is a multi-year project?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: The funds going to the United Way…. It will be a multi-year project, but we are still finalizing the exact terms and the paperwork.
I want the member to have confidence that this is not only a one-year project. The annual reporting will happen every year, and we will be able to get progress as the funds are expended.
D. Davies: I wasn’t going to ask this question for a little while, but I now have to ask this next question.
If it ties to, also, the food bank piece…. If this, then, is intended to be a permanent bump in the budget now for either the United Way or the food banks…. Will this be an ongoing fund that is going to keep this, as you say, a multi-year project?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: It will be expended now, by fiscal year-end, but the funding will be available to the organization for a number of years. This is year-end funding, a one-time spend by this government.
D. Davies: Okay, great. Thanks.
Just to help me also understand, and the general public and everyone else…. I think everyone knows the United Way and understands that they’re an incredible organization, as is Food Banks B.C.
Can the minister tell us who else was looked at as far as being consulted, being shortlisted to deliver the funds and the end goals?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: My ministry recommended Food Banks B.C. and the United Way to the Finance Minister because of their track record and their geographic reach.
D. Davies: I have pages and pages of examples that I can read into the record. I’m not. I might touch on a couple around food shortages, insecurities, challenges.
Obviously, we recognize the increased usage of food banks in, probably, every single community across the province. I’m just going to jump into one here right now. It’s specifically students. Post-secondary students are reporting an incredibly high level of food insecurity. I know that they’ve met with us; I’m sure they’ve met with you. I know they’ve met with my colleague from Cariboo North and such.
UBC, for instance, saw a 500 percent increase in the use of their food bank, about 35 percent at the Point Grey campus and 40 percent at the Okanagan campus.
Sixty-three percent of UVic students — 63 percent of the students here in Victoria, at UVic — have reported food insecurity. Many stories of students at UVic having to dumpster dive and getting sick from eating food that has been discarded.
Can the minister assure us that, within her conversations with Food Banks B.C., there will be funding directed to universities that are so dearly needing this funding?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Thank you to the member. The challenges that he cites are exactly why the Premier and the Finance Minister chose this as a priority area for unprecedented funding for year-end and recognizing the power of partnerships with both Food Banks B.C. and United Way and their extensive track record in reaching as many partners as possible.
The United Way has reinforced the alarming increase in food insecurity for students as the cost of food has gone so high, with global inflation. I think it’s on everybody’s radar. The more that we’re able to do to get more food security infrastructure and more food bank support, then we’ll be able to reach more people in need, including students.
C. Oakes: Food insecurity amongst students on campuses across this province is a significant challenge. They have brought this forward to government on their advocacy days.
Is the B.C. Federation of Students one of the partners that will be eligible to access funds for their food banks that are currently on campuses?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Thank you to the member for your advocacy for people that are really having a hard time right now.
My staff have identified two paths that could work here. One is if a particular student organization on campus or a particular food bank on campus has identified infrastructure needs — for example, they need a refrigerated delivery truck, that kind of thing — they could apply to the infrastructure fund.
I think we have, as well, great confidence in Food Banks B.C.’s network and their partnerships and their determination to extend the food security network to groups that are not yet connected. I’d be very happy to work with the member to make sure that student food aid organizations within her riding are connected to these two streams, both the Food Banks B.C. fund and the United Way fund.
C. Oakes: Thank you to the minister. I will make sure that I circulate this information to all the student associations across the province. It’s not just my riding.
I recently met with the Thompson Rivers University’s student federation, and they were sharing with me, prior to Christmas, that they were only able to provide support to students every six weeks. So you could come in once every six weeks.
The conversations I’ve had with many of the student associations across this province are very dire, and students have been put in a very challenging position. I think this money could go a long way in helping support student associations. They do have the structure in place, through their associations, because they’re funding it themselves.
Students have been doing their best with their very limited resources on campus, through whether it’s the B.C. Students Federation, the Alliance of B.C. Students; whether it’s the AMS, GSS at UBC. All across this province, there are student associations that have desperately tried to knit together support for students.
Not just on the infrastructure side, but if there are ways, through this funding that’s been announced, that we could plug in the student associations to access very valuable, needed resources…. Can I share with the student associations a contact — and maybe we can talk offline — of who we could direct all of the student associations to, to access very needed resources and support for student food banks across the province of British Columbia?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I certainly share the spirit of what you are suggesting. Once the grant agreements are finalized, which may take still some weeks, I’m certainly happy to provide a name and contact information for any members of the Legislature to share with their constituents.
I certainly share the member’s intention that students have access to the most affordable, reliable, healthy food to help them in their education, as we want for all British Columbians, but we really recognize this as a particular area. We need to make sure that they’re not having to take time away from their studies in order to build their own food security system on campus. We can certainly work together to do better.
D. Davies: Thank you to my colleague for her questions. A moment ago I asked about the criteria — I guess I used the term a little loosely — on United Way and the input the ministry has on developing what is required.
My second question, which I probably should have asked before, but I’ll ask now, is: was there any criteria developed with the moneys attached that are going to Food Banks B.C. that need to be followed on by them from the ministry?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Thank you to the member. Again, same as the answer for United Way, we are still finalizing the grant agreements, at the end of the day. We will be requiring the same reporting that I outlined for United Way. That has been our experience with them.
I will say that on the more specific criteria, like the basis on which we have agreed to work with Food Banks B.C. to deliver this really important support, we’re asking them to respond to the 25 percent increase in demand for food. We’re asking them to respond to the greatly increased cost of acquiring food that the food security organizations are encountering.
We’ve asked them to focus on the Resilient North project, recognizing that there are many communities that have not had food bank connection or service and also with a particular focus on communities badly affected by fires and floods in the last couple of years. The final detailed criteria is a particular focus on the aftermath of the tragedy in Lytton and the Indigenous communities, especially, around there that are still having real challenges with food access.
Those are some of the policy criteria that we’ve specifically asked Food Banks B.C. to take on.
D. Davies: Thanks, Minister.
With that being said, then…. I’ll maybe do a couple of examples. The Cranbrook food bank saw an increased demand of 25 to 30 percent. The shocking piece, though, is the 30 to 35 percent increase of people accessing services for children under 17. Across British Columbia, there are 3,000 babies that are receiving help from food banks.
My question, tying into her last statement that nothing has been finalized yet. It is still being worked on, as it needs. Can the minister assure British Columbians that there will be targeted money that will go to groups like children, specifically?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: A couple of ways we are responding to the issues that the member raises. Absolutely, food insecurity in young people is a deep concern. That’s why we included legislated poverty reduction targets, particularly focused on young people. That’s why I mentioned the statistics on food insecurity for young people in my opening statement. That’s also why our government has increased funding again for school food programs. That is built into base budget. That’s not part of what we’re adjudicating here today.
What I would say, big picture, is that the real power of flowing the funding to community-based organizations will mean that there’s no cookie-cutter approach here, that every food bank in every community in every corner of the region and every food advocacy organization that taps into this funding will be informed directly by what the community needs are.
So yes, we have to get more fresh, healthy food to young people, and we recognize that will happen in a diversity of ways. That’s why it’s so important to work through the model of the community-established food security organizations, and then to make sure that we’re supporting communities that don’t yet have them. Again, that’s why we had that particular focus on rural and North.
The final thing I’ll say is that by expanding food security infrastructure, like refrigerated trucks and more warehouses and storage, we’re very optimistic that with what ends up being surplus food in one place will be better connected with people that have lower incomes or have been facing food security challenges, because fresh food — that dairy, milk — we want to be able to get to young families, especially.
D. Davies: So the Greater Vancouver Food Bank — again, this isn’t a surprise, seeing a demand of 29 percent. Fraser Valley saw an increase of 200 percent. Central Okanagan saw an increase of 21 percent. Creston Valley, 35 percent. The Surrey Food Bank, a 22 percent increase in food demand while experiencing a 30 percent…. These numbers are probably pretty similar across the province. Following the holidays, affordability, people aren’t donating as much, and they’ve seen a 30 percent decrease in donations.
This is a trend that seems to be happening across British Columbia. With food banks, with these funds that are being, you know, one-time allotted, what does success look like on the other end? How is that going to be measured, and how will it be reported back to the ministry so that British Columbians know that there is success?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I’m going to talk about all three programs here. The United Way B.C. proposal will significantly expand regional community food hub programming from 20 to 40 hubs. That will include development of new hubs in the north and southern Vancouver Island, resulting in increased support to regions disproportionately impacted by the rising cost of living.
This will mean that more people in need will have dignified access to hot meals, food hampers, grocery store gift cards and connections to other social services. To date, the 20 regional community food hubs have supported over 200,000 people and delivered over four million meals, 367,000 food boxes and 1,430 work-related workshops. Those numbers will continue to grow as a result of program expansion with this new funding.
The United Way funding will also result in an increased number of partners in the United Way B.C. food hub network, leading to increased collaboration and leveraging of resources across sectors.
For Food Banks B.C., this will help stabilize the critical services that they offer, to meet the needs of people experiencing food insecurity, ensuring people living in B.C. can access safe, nutritious food that’s culturally preferable when they need it most. Also, Food Banks B.C.’s grant will support emergency food access — for example, supporting the continued work to support Indigenous communities around Lytton as they ensure that the community receives a regular supply of healthy and nutritious food as they rebuild.
The funding is also intended to strengthen resilience in northern communities by supporting the continuation of Food Banks B.C.’s Resilient North research project, which will support the distribution, implementation and evaluation of food system pilots to generate northern solutions developed by northern people.
In partnership with other organizations, like United Way B.C., Food Banks B.C. will work to address gaps that exist around immediate and long-term food access needs by leveraging each other’s expertise and networks.
Then the third fund is the critical food security infrastructure fund, by ensuring that not-for-profit organizations can continue to expand delivery of essential food security programming for people in need. This new infrastructure will enable them to serve a greater number of people through having the capacity to accept and store and distribute food donations more efficiently, thereby reducing food costs and staff time. People they will serve will have access to more better-quality fresh food that meets their needs.
Then finally, I’ll say that to me, also, success looks like the people that are on the front line, delivering this food — that they are not worrying about their continuity of funding for them to be able to support people at a real time of deep need.
D. Davies: What are the timelines around the reporting back for Food Banks B.C.?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I’ve already outlined to the member what we anticipate will be in the final grant agreement around reporting requirements. But staff here at the table are reminding me and reinforcing that they are in very regular contact, monthly or more, with both organizations because they have so many shared projects.
D. Davies: I’m assuming that the funds have not been transferred yet, that they’re still sitting with the government. We’re three weeks now to the end of the fiscal year. I’m just wondering. These seem like pretty basic pieces of these negotiations back and forth between these agencies, whether it’s United Way or whether it’s Food Banks B.C.
Three weeks left and there seem to be a number of little holes that are still in negotiations. When does the ministry expect to be done these negotiations, as $49 million needs to be expended in the next few weeks?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I don’t think the member meant to ask a trick question here, but I think we all know we are here so that my ministry gets the authority to spend the extra funds that were not anticipated in last year’s budget.
We definitely…. I’m going to be super clear. We have not sent the money anywhere, because we don’t yet have the authority from the Legislature to do that.
I don’t believe that I’ve used the word “negotiating” once in this conversation. We are not negotiating. But once we do have the authority to expend these year-end funds by March 31, which we must do in order to get them into the hands of these organizations that need them…. At that time, we will have the paperwork signed. We will have, as I have outlined for the member, the reporting requirements. They will all be documented. Those will be the conditions attached to the funding.
Again, very reputable, experienced administrators that we have great confidence in working with and great confidence that we’ll have this paperwork all wrapped up by fiscal year-end.
D. Davies: Mostly, it wasn’t a trick question, anyways, Chair.
I guess maybe “negotiate” isn’t the word, finalizing agreements. It’s kind of po-tay-to, po-ta-to as far as going back and forth and creating the agreements.
I get the process. We will be voting on this very shortly. Understanding that process, once the money is expended….
I still go back to my question. A ministry is here asking British Columbians’ permission on something that’s already been, kind of, let out. There seem to be these questions that are unanswered as we’re into the final hours before this is being approved. I think the minister said that when this gets approved, it will be ready to go as far as what that final agreement looks like. Well, this will happen in the next few days.
I suspect the answers to my questions are somewhere. The minister should be able to give somewhat of clarity on timelines, reporting. British Columbians want to know: “Okay, where did my $49 million go?” It’s taxpayers’ money. How was it expended? What were the benchmarks in the process? What does it look like for United Way to be purchasing a warehouse or buying a tractor-trailer unit? What does that look like as far as an expense of taxpayers’ money?
These are questions that I thought were quite simple, and we haven’t got a solid answer on them. Again, it causes concern because we are going to be voting on this, and one would expect that the final agreement would be completed before we say yes or no to $49 million.
I’m not sure if I have a question there. It’s more of a concern that I’m facing. I wonder if the minister might have some remarks to that.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I have described the need. I have described what we are asking the two organizations to do. I’ve described the reporting obligations that they have and some of the outcomes that we have asked of them — X number of hubs more. That’s all on the record already.
I will say I can’t make these obligations formal until we have finished this process. I won’t finalize the agreements until I have the authority from the Legislature. I can’t incur the expense without finishing this process. That’s what we’re talking about here.
Absolutely I share the member’s concern that we spend the public’s money well and that we have outcomes to show for it. I think the record will show, from the conversation over the last 45 minutes or so, the obligations that we will lock into the final paperwork with the organizations.
D. Davies: One of our duties here in this supply committee is to ascertain some of these questions. It’s not locking it in. We’re just talking about what these look like and asking for timelines. What are the reporting mechanisms? What does it look like as far as Food Banks B.C. or United Way coming back to the government? You know, “We’ve achieved this benchmark by this time,” and so on, those steps. I wouldn’t think it’s an in-confidence piece of the agreement.
As we are here asking.… Again, before the money is voted on, that seems like something that should be very simple to ask.
I would give the opportunity to the minister again to see if we can possibly find out these timelines, what it looks like reporting back. It goes back to the success: “At one year, we will have achieved X.” That’s kind of the answer I’m looking for, and hopefully, we can get that answer.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Apologies to the member. I think I may have misunderstood the question. I have identified already the quarterly reporting, quarterly meetings, annual reporting. That’s all earlier in the transcript. I think the member can check that, and I’m happy to follow up with him if there are questions there.
I think maybe what the member was getting at that I was not responding to were the outcomes that you seek. My team here at the bench is reminding me of the example with Food Banks B.C. that this government — my predecessor, the former minister — funded going into the pandemic. We did not anticipate the extra demands that were going to arise, so flexibility and trusting the partner about exactly how they deliver the service, especially in this case where these will be multi-year funding programs….
No, I as minister am not going to direct United Way or Food Banks B.C. to prescribe right now, other than saying broadly: “You need to get more service into rural and remote, more into northern….” I’ve described some of those areas of focus. I am not going to prescribe to them in what communities or how much food, because as people move in the province, as the demographics of different communities shift, as food prices shift quickly, as we might have more natural emergencies this summer — I hope we don’t — we are trusting our partners to deliver financially the reporting to us.
We know they want the same thing. They want young people to have access to food. They want to build up the infrastructure in the food security movement and community so that they have the tools they need to do the job. We will continue to give flexibility to those operators. The exact milestones about how much food, exactly where and exactly what kind of infrastructure — we want that to be driven by local demands.
I’ll certainly say for me, as a Vancouver Island member, I won’t dictate to the North or to the Interior. We trust that those groups on the ground know that the best. That’s why working with the United Way and Food Banks B.C. is so important to us.
D. Davies: So what I’m hearing is the $49 million has no strings attached.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: No. I believe the record will show all of the program areas that we have specified for the three funds.
D. Davies: Agreed. There were, I think, the two programs within the United Way, and then the Food Banks. But when we’re talking about the examples I’ve given the minister around children, specifically — my colleague and myself talked about post-secondary institutions — there were remarks made by the minister that that would be brought forward and looked at. I’m not sure….
I just heard the minister say, though, that we’re not going to be interfering or putting input. But I’m hearing a bit of conflict. I want to know how much input the ministry will have, or will it be, with those three programs, no strings attached?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Just as an example of the ways that we are attaching strings to all three of these areas of funding, I’ll focus on United Way B.C., but I’m happy to read the same level of detail into the record if the member asks me to pursue it.
The description of the commitment that we are asking them to make…. This is $7.5 million intended to support expansion of the United Way B.C. Regional Community Food Hub programming.
Sidebar: I know that this is an expansion. We’ve already been funding this work and working with them, so this is something that we already have experience with and that they have experience with.
So expanding the Regional Community Food Hub programming, including new hubs in northern B.C. and southern Vancouver Island and supporting coordination of effective community food access responses through an advisory committee. We require close collaboration with local food banks, Indigenous organizations and communities and other social service agencies delivering wraparound supports.
Here is an accounting of the impact of the previous funding to United Way B.C. in this area. This will give the member a bit of an idea about the kinds of results that have been generated and that we would expect, a continued level of success and expansion with this expanded continued funding.
Between April and September 2022, Regional Community Food Hubs served 154,000 individuals and provided 2½ million meals, 257,000 food hampers and 566 education programs. Operations were expanded to a total of 20 food hubs by the end of 2022. United Way B.C.’s model focuses on community-led initiatives and collaboration, resulting in diverse programming that responds to regional needs, increases dignified food access and connects clients to other wraparound supports or services.
D. Davies: I appreciate that. That does kind of tie some of those strings. I might take the minister up on her offer, actually, on the Food Banks B.C. one as well.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I’m going to start with the outcomes of the previous funding to Food Banks B.C., so I’m flipping this just so that we can move through this a bit more quickly and my staff team has a minute to find the other program description.
These are, again, outcomes of previous funding to Food Banks B.C. They reported to us that SDPR funding was instrumental in relieving pressures felt by food banks during the pandemic and recovery, allowing the purchase of high-demand, high-quality food items and local B.C. food. Funding also supported key infrastructure development for cold storage and transportation.
Food Banks B.C. was able to respond immediately to the 2021 crisis response and recovery in Lytton, following the devastating wildfires, and flooding in Merritt, supporting emergency food deliveries and ongoing coordination.
Now the second piece, carrying on my description of the basis on which we are proposing this grant to Food Banks B.C. and the strings that would be attached to it.
This is funding of $15 million to support food access programming, crisis response, ongoing recovery, and support for communities impacted by climate emergencies, and work towards long-term planning and more sustainable food security outcomes. The funding will provide immediate inflation crisis supports to allow food to be provided to the increasing number of clients requesting food over the past year and support recovery efforts for communities impacted by climate events.
The funding will expand food access programming and partnerships in underserved areas of B.C., including rural, remote and Indigenous communities in northern B.C.
The funding will strengthen service delivery, foster cross-sector collaboration and ensure that food security work in communities is coordinated and integrated across government food security priorities, including school food programs.
The funding will increase reach of food programs to key populations, including Indigenous people, youth and young adults, children, students, seniors, people with disabilities, 2SLGBTQ2+, newcomers, refugees and rural and remote.
D. Davies: I want to go back to earlier discussion around the hubs and the expansion of the hubs. Obviously, northern rural B.C. has very different needs, very different requirements for what poverty looks like. Food bank reliance, whether it be Fort Nelson, Prince Rupert, down into Kimberley…. It is very different on the Island.
[M. Dykeman in the chair.]
You had talked about having local people making some of those decisions, working with the agency. What does that look like? How do those people interact to get themselves on a list? Up in Fort Nelson, if there’s potential for a hub there, what does that look like for communities to reach out? Our Indigenous communities — what does that look like for them to reach out, and who do they reach out to, to pursue a hub in their area?
The Chair: Minister.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Thank you, Chair. Welcome to the chair.
I hoped I could make this a more educational moment by finding, for the benefit of the public…. Again, I know many people are tuning in, watching supplementary estimates. But I haven’t got my hand on the short and snappy way to describe a food hub. So I’m going to answer your question, and then, if we have a minute, then I might read that into the record.
I would say the real benefit of working with United Way B.C. is the strength of their network and that they have their own United Way north. That is how we end up having very successful programs like the food hub program for food security that is worked out in one region or one community, and then United Way has helped us make it scalable.
So I would say, in response to the member’s question, if there are any organizations or nations in the north that are having troubles getting connected with a food hub, then United Way north is their starting point, and this funding, if confirmed, will help them get access to a tool that they don’t yet have.
I’m going to take a breath here and see…. How hungry for detail are you, room? This is so interesting, right?
Okay. Here’s the model.
D. Davies: The world is watching.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Yeah. My mom, I think, is tuning in.
Regional community food hubs operate with a network hub-and-spoke model, with organizations that provide food support and wraparound service. So partners participate in a community of practice as well as regional collaboration meetings. United Way B.C. is working, and will, with this funding to expand the model to 20 hubs.
Should I go on? Yeah? Okay. I’m going to.
There are three key model pillars: food programming, partnerships…. The third is operations and resource….
The first, food programming. Examples include working with community nutritionists, distributing food via markets instead of hampers, school food programs and community gardens. Wraparound services include a partnership with Period Promise and referrals to other social services such as employment, financial resources and child care.
The second element, partnerships. United Way B.C. is partnering with food rescue and food recovery organizations, local farmers, local food banks, school districts, faith organizations. All together, they’re delivering programming. The model also works to support leadership and collaboration with First Nation communities.
In October of this past year, United Way B.C. held its first United for Food Summit, an in-person event for hub partners with over 50 attendees from across the province.
Then the third element, operations and resource support. This includes funding and support for permanent staff and overarching program logistics and infrastructure such as refrigeration and transport costs. In total, 60 staff positions are being supported through the existing provincial funding, which allows staff to adequately plan and manage activities. Some hubs have one key staff person, while others integrate two to three positions, depending on specific needs and the scale of programming.
D. Davies: Thanks, Minister, for the response.
I’m now catching up on all the questions that I didn’t answer earlier on. As you know, you jump around. You jump to things as they’re timely. There were a couple of questions that I missed earlier that I do want to get clarification on before we wrap up.
When was the decision made for the $49 million to go towards this initiative?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: The ministry consulted with Ministry of Finance, as well as our other ministry counterparts. The submission went through the regular Treasury Board process. That’s the usual process where the Finance Minister and Premier have identified which areas they want us to bring to Treasury Board. I brought that submission to Treasury Board to consider.
The whole Treasury Board process is entirely in the hands of the Minister of Finance, and I can’t add anything in terms of dates or times about when the minister made her decisions. The Treasury Board process is entirely in the Finance Minister’s hands.
D. Davies: I’m not sure, maybe, if I missed the opening part there, but I didn’t think I did. The date that this was initially…. Did the minister say? I might have missed that — the date that this was initially brought forward, the discussion that “we need this.” And then it goes…. I understand the Treasury Board piece, but when did SDPR make this decision?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I did not mention a date before in response to the member’s questions.
It was in December that my ministry was asked to provide some suggestions to the Finance Minister, but the timing of any subsequent decisions and priorities is entirely in the Minister of Finance’s hands.
D. Davies: Great. Thanks to the minister. What are the expected administrative costs for United Way and for Food Banks B.C.?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Thanks to the member for the question. I am advised that with grants like this, we generally allow for up to 10 percent for administration.
In the cases — for example, the infrastructure fund — where the granting work associated with granting of funds…. Often that 10 percent is used. But when it is a straight fund, like what we’re doing through Food Banks B.C., although we allow in our contracts for up to 10 percent, in fact, I’m advised that often there’s no administrative cost.
D. Davies: Thank you to the minister for that. Again, pardon my jumping around now. It seems like things aren’t going to be connected, but there are, again, a last few questions that I did want to get on the record before we wrap up.
One of the things that was mentioned was a reference to some education programs. I think it was through Food Banks B.C. I think maybe the minister mentioned it.
I know the minister isn’t going to direct, but is the minister aware of any educational programs around food production, growing food closer to home? In this world of affordability issues, we hear a lot of movement now toward the importance of people understanding this. I’m just wondering if that is part of anything attached to this fund or program?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: Generally speaking, and we could see that in the announcement that we made yesterday with the Premier, the food production side of food security rests within agriculture. It’s the food access piece that is the responsibility of my ministry.
That said, absolutely, at a micro level, we’ve got community gardens and some of the ways that the food security movement and service provision manifests in different communities, depending on the needs and the priorities of those community organizations. There certainly are community gardens. There is support for people backyard growing. That has been an element of some of our past United Way funding.
I would say that still, more largely, our cross-government approach to increased food security, at a time of particular food insecurity because of the inflation-pressured cost of food and more people just having a hard time making ends meet…. Our focus is more on the food banks’ support for access. We’re relying on the Ministry of Agriculture for the food production side of British Columbia food security.
D. Davies: Thanks, Minister.
We often hear, and much more lately, “food security” as a term that is used. Can the minister give us her definition of food security in this sense?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: We are working with the Stats Canada definition of food insecurity, which refers to “the inability to access a sufficient quantity or variety of food because of financial constraints, and is an established marker of material deprivation in Canada.”
D. Davies: I think it is good to understand, on the part of context, because it is used often, and I think people do see food security through a different lens. It depends where they live and such.
This next question ties in with something we did talk about earlier, with the United Way, regarding the infrastructure piece around the warehousing, the trucks — big ticket items, in all reality. I’ve worked in a number of organizations, volunteered with a number of organizations. I’m sure many people have.
As these organizations grow and take on larger infrastructure pieces through grants and such — like I say, a warehouse or a tractor trailer, those are big ticket items — often they get in trouble down the road, on the operational side, keeping these…. The taxes, property taxes; the utilities, which are just going up and up in price; insurance and everything else, which are huge costs on these.
The minister already mentioned earlier that this isn’t planned to be an ongoing fund. One can only suspect that there are going to be challenges for United Way, down the road, to be sitting on these large pieces of infrastructure, whatever they might end up being. Has United Way been in contact with the minister about some long-term operational funding that might be worked into the budget as a means of making sure that we don’t lose these pieces and especially, if we’re talking the hubs, a warehouse somewhere?
I don’t think food insecurity is going to be going away anytime soon. Are there plans in place to deal with that piece?
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I’m going to answer this in a couple of different ways. I welcome the member to invite me to expand if I haven’t fully or if I’m not answering the way that the member hoped.
It might be that you were talking about what happens if, there having been an infrastructure investment in a refrigerator truck, the truck then breaks down a couple of years from now. Is that local food organization left with an expense that they can’t handle? That certainly is a concern.
At the same time, I think we’re also recognizing that if we really do this well and really build in the infrastructure that allows food security organizations to accept the donations of food that is excess at one point in time, their operating costs can come down. They will not be purchasing food as they are now sometimes. I think that as the food security provision and the food security movement are growing and changing, we are going to see some of those costs and savings balance out.
Certainly, organizations like Food Banks B.C. have that long-term investment. We don’t want to see a capital investment, like in a refrigerator truck, then stay idle.
But if what the member was talking about is more, “Why is this year-end funding and not in the base budget,” it’s a great question. It never has been. We can certainly have that conversation during the more formal estimates period or even offline about how we might balance that out.
For right now, what we’re asking for, for the agreement of the Legislature, is that we add this $49 million year-end funding not built into the base budget, as it has been in the past. This is a continuation of that practice. It’s just that this is at a much greater scale because of this extraordinary year we’re in.
D. Davies: Well, it kind of did answer, but the bigger question is, again, if we’re going to be now purchasing or even renting warehouses, let’s say, purchasing vehicles around the province…. I mean, there are going to be long-term operational costs. Organizations, even such as the United Way, which is large, could be faced with some challenges: utilities, taxes, general overhead.
My concern is the one-time funding now…. Great. It might serve a need now, but next year, when these organizations are looking at how they are going to pay the bills on said warehouse or said tractor-trailer or said whatever — that’s my concern.
I wondered, again, if there was a discussion between the organizations and the ministry for some long-term funding, if that’s been discussed. You kind of half-answered, but I don’t know if there’s any more.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I’ll say, again, that this is year-end funding, so it has to be one-time. So us committing through this year-end funding to an ongoing maintenance fund wouldn’t be appropriate. But here’s more educational detail that I will read into the record. Part of the United Way funding includes, as I mentioned just very briefly, the advisory committee. I will give some more detail about our requests of them and what our hopes are.
I think that as a result of saying yes to this funding, we will, through that advisory committee process, identify some of the ongoing needs that the member is alluding to. Again, this is meant to be one-time funding, year-end funding. As I’ve described it before, this is not going to be an ongoing maintenance fund. But that might be recommended by the advisory committee.
In fall of 2020, United Way B.C. convened a food security round table with partners from different sectors, including the not-for-profit sector; academics, for example, from Simon Fraser University food lab; food processing and the retail sector, including the B.C. Food Processors Association, Save-On Foods and government — my ministry and Health. Many of the key partners continue to meet and share learnings more informally and bilaterally.
The current proposal that we are intending to fund now would establish a community food security leadership council, where key partners and stakeholders would meet regularly to coordinate effective and efficient community food access response and to develop new, innovative, cross-sector solutions. We would participate, my ministry — not just participate but funding, as is proposed here — given the significant potential to inform the joint mandate that I have with Agriculture to “lead work on food security and dignified access to food in partnership with food producers, grocery stores, food banks, schools, and not-for-profits.”
Additional action items that the advisory committee is expected to carry out include sharing best practices and research findings from current projects, increasing partnerships between grocery stores and distributors and the not-for-profit sector, and increased coordination of food redistribution, for example, through the app that United Way B.C. launched just this week to match supply and demand in the community food system.
That right now is being piloted in three communities. Then, again, rural, remote and Indigenous communities continue to be noted as an area of particular focus for my government.
D. Davies: Thanks to the minister. I have no further questions.
Just kind of wrapping things up again, I want to end where I started by thanking the minister, thanking the staff for their work. More importantly, and I’ll finish off last night….
All of us attended the firefighters event last night. The opportunity, listening to some of the firefighters who also play a significant role in helping in their local communities around poverty…. Many of the local unions are going out of their way to provide food banks and do those support things, just like many other organizations around.
I certainly want to take my hats off to not just the firefighters but all the many thousands of organizations throughout the province that do this incredible work, including the United Way and Food Banks B.C., to make sure that our most vulnerable are given as many opportunities to have success in life.
With that being said, I will take my seat.
The Chair: Seeing no further questions, I ask the minister if they would like to make any closing remarks before I call the vote.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I’ll simply thank my critic and some of the other members that had a chance to intervene.
I’m very grateful for the work of my ministry staff team and absolutely deep gratitude for the people that, during an unprecedented time of inflation-fuelled terribly increased food costs…. A lot of people are working very hard to make ends meet.
There are so many community organizations that are innovating, finding new ways to connect not just about food charity but about food redistribution, taking pressure off the landfills, supporting local retailers. There really is some great innovation that we’re learning from. It’s an honour to be doing this work at such an important time.
Thanks to all the committee members for your rapt attention during our very enjoyable conversation.
Thank you, Chair. That closes my remarks.
The Chair: Shall Vote 43(S) pass?
A division vote has been called.
Thank you, Members. If there’s unanimous consent, we can waive the time.
Leave granted.
The Chair: Thank you, Members. This division is about to take place. Before putting the question, I remind all members that it’s understood, pursuant to a sessional order dated February 6, 2023, that only the permanent members of Section A, or their duly appointed substitutes, are authorized to vote.
The question is on Vote 43(S).
Vote 43(S): ministry operations, $49,000,000 — approved on the following division:
YEAS — 8 | ||
Bains | Beare | Begg |
Cullen | Malcolmson | Olsen |
Sims |
| Starchuk |
NAYS — 3 | ||
Ashton | Letnick | Merrifield |
The Chair: I just have one more thing.
I ask the minister to move the motion.
Hon. S. Malcolmson: I move that the committee rise, report resolution and completion of the supplementary estimates of the Ministry of Agriculture and Food, report resolution and completion of the supplementary estimates of the Ministry of Social Development and Poverty Reduction, and ask leave to sit again.
Motion approved.
The committee rose at 6:13 p.m.